Ho Ho..this'll put the cat in amongst the pigeons...

[Toaods]

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'mon the suffragettes......

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'mon the suffragettes......

[Hibbyradge]

Women 1 Medieval Mumbo Jumbo 0.

[Toaods]

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Women 1 Medieval Mumbo Jumbo 0.

deep down you really quite like the football score analogy don't you...

[ArabHibee]

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deep down you really quite like the football score analogy don't you...

[Sylar]

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Women 1 Medieval Mumbo Jumbo 0.

Haud oan a minute - they might have won the penalty, but they've not converted it yet.

Just because they've written away, doesn't mean it'll come to anything - Medieval Mumbo Jumbo will no doubt have Medieval Bureaucracy!

[GlesgaeHibby]

If they want the civil liberties such as the right to vote, they certainly aren't going to get them from a religion that preaches discrimination of women.

If they are smart enough to realise that they deserve equality, they should leave their sexist religion behind.

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If they want the right to vote, why don't they just leave a religion that by its very nature oppresses women

That doesn't make any sense.

[Betty Boop]

I don't see much evidence of equality for women in many of the religious faiths. For example how many women are allowed to vote when the Pope is elected? Also how many female priests are there?

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That doesn't make any sense.

Fixed

[LiverpoolHibs]

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Fixed

It still doesn't make any sense.

They're not campaigning for the right to vote in local/national elections but for the right to become voting members of the executive commitee of their mosque.

And, I don't know, it might be considered slightly sexist - or at the very least incredibly condescending - to tell these women how to relate to their chosen religion.

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It still doesn't make any sense.

They're not campaigning for the right to vote in local/national elections but for the right to become voting members of the executive commitee of their mosque.

And, I don't know, it might be considered slightly sexist - or at the very least incredibly condescending - to tell these women how to relate to their chosen religion.

Islamic and Christian doctrine are both by their very nature incredibly sexist.

It sounds like a case of reasonable religious people who agree with modern practices (equality in this case) want to try and get their religion to move with the times, as they are intelligent enough to see that the accumulated wisdom of mankind makes more sense than continuing dark age practices.

The problem with this is that the Holy books do not allow equal rights. It isn't a case of telling women how to relate to their religion. It is a case of holy scriptures being clear on these issues.

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I don't see much evidence of equality for women in many of the religious faiths. For example how many women are allowed to vote when the Pope is elected? Also how many female priests are there?

EXACTLY! They should know their place!

[Dashing Bob S]

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I don't see much evidence of equality for women in many of the religious faiths. For example how many women are allowed to vote when the Pope is elected? Also how many female priests are there?

Quite. Christianity is just diet Islam, and too diet for some it's more rabid advocates. I'd ban them all and turn the churches and mosques into discos.

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EXACTLY! They should know their place!

If you look at our society as a hole, opps whole, it gone right down hill since wimin got the vote. If I was ‘in’ the Mosque I’d resist this, it’s the thin edge of the wedge!

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Quite. Christianity is just diet Islam, and too diet for some it's more rabid advocates. I'd ban them all and turn the churches and mosques into discos.

Ah, but would you allow women to be members of the discos?

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I don't see much evidence of equality for women in many of the religious faiths. For example how many women are allowed to vote when the Pope is elected? Also how many female priests are there?

Yeah.

In the Caldera we make absolutely sure that no woman gets to voice any opinion in any circumstances on any subject.

No women on the committees, no women involved in leading worship.

In the Caldera the women clean the church buildings, make the tea, look after the kids, keep their mouths shut.

Yeah. Right.


C'mon the Beardie Boys. Put these girlies in their place.

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If you look at our society as a hole, opps whole, it gone right down hill since wimin got the vote. If I was ‘in’ the Mosque I’d resist this, it’s the thin edge of the wedge!

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Ah, but would you allow women to be members of the discos?

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Yeah.

In the Caldera we make absolutely sure that no woman gets to voice any opinion in any circumstances on any subject.

No women on the committees, no women involved in leading worship.

In the Caldera the women clean the church buildings, make the tea, look after the kids, keep their mouths shut.

Yeah. Right.


C'mon the Beardie Boys. Put these girlies in their place.

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So glad to have brought a wee chuckle to your chops, Betty.

Sometimes I get a wee bit shirty at some of the sweetbreads some folks post on here.

Sweetbreads, do I hear you ask?







Bulls' bollocks.

[LiverpoolHibs]

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Islamic and Christian doctrine are both by their very nature incredibly sexist.

It sounds like a case of reasonable religious people who agree with modern practices (equality in this case) want to try and get their religion to move with the times, as they are intelligent enough to see that the accumulated wisdom of mankind makes more sense than continuing dark age practices.

The problem with this is that the Holy books do not allow equal rights. It isn't a case of telling women how to relate to their religion. It is a case of holy scriptures being clear on these issues.

It is a case of being condescending and prescriptive towards something that I'd warrant you don't know a great deal about. Your statement that instead of challenging patriarchy and/or misogyny within their chosen religion they should just give the whole thing up is seriously distasteful. Lurking behind the apparent liberalism and egalitarianism is the intimation that they're just a bunch of dupes who've been forced into their beliefs rather than having chosen them and wanting to challenge certain tendencies. I'll repeat, it's fundamentally nasty.

And saying that Islam or Christianity are implicitly sexist (even if we accept that as true, I'm not sure that it is) becomes pretty meaningless when you try and think of one aspect of human society that isn't also implicitly sexist.

It's a bit of a curious position for me to be in defending religion, but I really have grown immensely tired of the none-more-boring smug, arrogant liberal atheism and enlightenment fetishism over the past couple of years - especially as it's taken an increasingly racial edge (even phrases like 'mumbo jumbo', used in this thread, are pretty uncomfortable given the etymology and implication of that term, although saying this will almost certainly result in 'P.C. gone mad' splutterings) in recent years or has resulted in apologism for imperial adventurism - not that I'm accusing you personally of either, except maybe the smugness and arrogance.

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Yeah.

In the Caldera we make absolutely sure that no woman gets to voice any opinion in any circumstances on any subject.

No women on the committees, no women involved in leading worship.

In the Caldera the women clean the church buildings, make the tea, look after the kids, keep their mouths shut.

Yeah. Right.


C'mon the Beardie Boys. Put these girlies in their place.

Oh crikey, are we back to the religious Top Trumps of that closed thread on the main board?