Christmas Light Switch on in Dundee

[sleeping giant]

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And what of it if they are offended by it? Why does this country pander so much to minorities?

You in the mood tonight ?

[Jack]

The UK is still perceived to be a Christian country, the default setting should be that we openly celebrate Christian festivals.
Maybe we're not?

[Phil D. Rolls]

Is Jesus that old man with the white beard and red coat? He seems to get everywhere at Xmas, it's PC gone mad.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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It's not a surprise to me in the slightest, it's the way this country is going.

Children are taught about, and actively encouraged to embrace, Diwali, Eid and Ramadan, but just don't mention Christmas, kids, it might offend people who aren't Christians. That's to be called a "Winter Festival" instead.

It's all in the name of multiculturalism and diversity, apparently.

Is Scotland not one nation many cultures? Not too sure what you mean with the last bit - do you think multiculturalism and diversity are a bad thing?

Hopefully not I think Scotland would benefit from more Scots born living outside of our country for a while, seeing how others live and how they see us.

Too much ignorance and you get the consequences of George W Bush actions...

[BravestHibs]

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It's not a surprise to me in the slightest, it's the way this country is going.

Children are taught about, and actively encouraged to embrace, Diwali, Eid and Ramadan, but just don't mention Christmas, kids, it might offend people who aren't Christians. That's to be called a "Winter Festival" instead.

It's all in the name of multiculturalism and diversity, apparently.

What do you mean 'the way this country's going'?

You're also saying that kids aren't taught about christmas?? I honestly can't believe how little you rely on facts when you post. It's like you've cut a branch off a tree, and want to make a spear of nonsense. In order to do this you set about whittling off all the shoots of fact that were emerging from your spear of nonsense to make it more aerodynamic for when you throw it into the torso of secularism.

[marinello59]

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I bet nobody from the Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Jewish community complained to Dundee Council about the name of their festival.

Exactly. It's dim witted Councillors reacting to offence that hadn't (and most likely wouldn't have) been taken in the first place.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

"I think", "I bet"...

Does anyone know anyone from the communities mentioned (e.g. Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Jewish community)? Even so unlikely to be representative but closer perhaps than other speculation?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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And two Universities. Perth has a prison - and not a lot else

Perth needs a prison to hold all those Dundee folk nicking stuff from their neighbours.

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A lot longer than St Johnstone has been around

SJFC - 1884 / 1885 (bit of a dispute re that, officially formed in 1884 but didn't start playing for a while, a bit like the Yams or Celtc)
DFC - 1893
DUFC - 1909 / 1923 (depending on whether you count Dundee Hibs)

[Twa Cairpets]

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What do you mean 'the way this country's going'?

You're also saying that kids aren't taught about christmas?? I honestly can't believe how little you rely on facts when you post. It's like you've cut a branch off a tree, and want to make a spear of nonsense. In order to do this you set about whittling off all the shoots of fact that were emerging from your spear of nonsense to make it more aerodynamic for when you throw it into the torso of secularism.

Wow.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Exactly. It's dim witted Councillors reacting to offence that hadn't (and most likely wouldn't have) been taken in the first place.

I think a lot of the extremities of political correctness come about because people take it on themselves to decide what will offend other people. On top of that we have a group of people whose careers depend on evening out inequalities.

They have to constantly find new things to correct or they are out of a job. I can see comparisons to health promotion - where do all the anti-smoking commisars go now that they have got their way? They move onto alcohol and obesity.

All of these things start with the best of intentions. Unfortunately you then bring in people who, although they know the rules, don't know what they are trying to achieve.

On the other side of the fence you have those who never wanted the rules in the first place, because the world was a great place to be (for them) and why change anything. Add into the mix people who just hate any form of change.

I think that all this defending "our christian values" is just so much nonsense. Ever since I was little, people have been saying "put christ back into christmas". Maybe a regression to a pre-christian definition of the winter solstice is more honest.

From what I can see, most people's christianity is attending church for six weeks prior to their wedding, and the occasional drunken foray to a watchnight service. To me, christmas seems to be a celebration of things christ stood against - greed, selfishness, retreating into the comfort of your own family with no regard for anyone else.

If christianity has lost it's audience in this country, why not remove it from the schedules? At least other religions have retained spirituality in their portfolio. If the best Jesus can hope for is Christmas, the game is lost. (How many of the cards you'll send or recieve this year have any sort of biblical or spiritual theme to them?)

Sorry to bring religion into it by the way.

[Betty Boop]

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"I think", "I bet"...

Does anyone know anyone from the communities mentioned (e.g. Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Jewish community)? Even so unlikely to be representative but closer perhaps than other speculation?

I have Muslim friends who enjoy the Xmas and New Year festivities.

[IWasThere2016]

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Perth needs a prison to hold all those Dundee folk nicking stuff from their neighbours.

How do these poor Dundonians make it to Perf and back with stolen merchandise?

[Tinyclothes]

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What do you mean 'the way this country's going'?

You're also saying that kids aren't taught about christmas?? I honestly can't believe how little you rely on facts when you post. It's like you've cut a branch off a tree, and want to make a spear of nonsense. In order to do this you set about whittling off all the shoots of fact that were emerging from your spear of nonsense to make it more aerodynamic for when you throw it into the torso of secularism.

I notice that the thrower of the nonsense spear has gone very quiet.

[jonty]

Aplogies -

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Perth needs a prison to hold all
those Dundee folk nicking stuff from their neighbours.



SJFC - 1884 / 1885 (bit of a dispute re that, officially formed in 1884 but didn't start playing for a while, a bit like the Yams or Celtc)
DFC - 1893
DUFC - 1909 / 1923 (depending on whether you count Dundee Hibs)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_discov...icity_and_when

Mentions of electricity have been found in writings as early as 600BC by the Greek Thales of Miletus.

or as TQM would do....


Getting back on topic - I see the lights areon. Assume it's for testing then?

[Part/Time Supporter]

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How do these poor Dundonians make it to Perf and back with stolen merchandise?

In the back of a prison service van, I would imagine

[IWasThere2016]

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In the back of a prison service van, I would imagine

So they get lifted in Dundee with the gear .. Perf Polis must be framing them!

[Phil D. Rolls]

Wid they eat fehv pehs in Pairth or are they too posh?

(Non Tayside contribution to thread).

[LiverpoolHibs]

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It's not a surprise to me in the slightest, it's the way this country is going.

Children are taught about, and actively encouraged to embrace, Diwali, Eid and Ramadan, but just don't mention Christmas, kids, it might offend people who aren't Christians. That's to be called a "Winter Festival" instead.

It's all in the name of multiculturalism and diversity, apparently.

As stupid as it is, it's almost worth it as a noise-up to people who think like this.

[ArabHibee]

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How do these poor Dundonians make it to Perf and back with stolen merchandise?

In the cars they nick fae posh Monifieth or Ferry folk.

[Sir David Gray]

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Is Scotland not one nation many cultures? Not too sure what you mean with the last bit - do you think multiculturalism and diversity are a bad thing?

Hopefully not I think Scotland would benefit from more Scots born living outside of our country for a while, seeing how others live and how they see us.

Too much ignorance and you get the consequences of George W Bush actions...

If you're asking me if I think that people of different cultures living in Scotland/UK is a bad thing then the answer to that is no. Although I do think that the situation in some places in England has gone too far.

However, I don't agree with the way that issues such as multiculturalism are handled in this country. I think it is leading to scenarios like the one in that newspaper link in the opening post, whereby anything related to Christianity is being treated like some sort of taboo subject, whereas anything to do with other religions, especially Islam, are given the utmost respect and are openly embraced.

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What do you mean 'the way this country's going'?

You're also saying that kids aren't taught about christmas?? I honestly can't believe how little you rely on facts when you post. It's like you've cut a branch off a tree, and want to make a spear of nonsense. In order to do this you set about whittling off all the shoots of fact that were emerging from your spear of nonsense to make it more aerodynamic for when you throw it into the torso of secularism.

You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that kids aren't taught about Christmas, I said that they are taught about, and encouraged to embrace, festivals such as Eid, Ramadan and Diwali but when it comes to Christmas, or Christianity in general, people don't seem to be quite as quick to embrace it publicly because people on councils, usually atheists, believe that it will somehow offend people of minority faiths.

You only have to look at the recent case of homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals being encouraged to deface a copy of the Bible by writing vulgar messages inside it, all of which was publicly funded and partly organised by Glasgow City Council.

There is a not a chance that something like that would have happened with the sacred text of a minority religion. The organisers would have probably been murdered if those messages had been written inside a copy of the Qur'an.

All of that was done in the name of "diversity" as well, by the way. Anyone else see a trend developing here?

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I notice that the thrower of the nonsense spear has gone very quiet.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise that there was a time limit for responding to posts.

Please accept my apologies, it won't happen again.

[lapsedhibee]

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I'm sorry, I didn't realise that there was a time limit for responding to posts.

There's not. You can post whenever the hell you like, so long as everyone's back from Hamilton.

[BravestHibs]

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You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that kids aren't taught about Christmas, I said that they are taught about, and encouraged to embrace, festivals such as Eid, Ramadan and Diwali but when it comes to Christmas, or Christianity in general, people don't seem to be quite as quick to embrace it publicly because people on councils, usually atheists, believe that it will somehow offend people of minority faiths.

Where do you get your information? Are you implying that countrywide, councils are trying to keep christmas a secret, via a manifestation of a crazed atheist agenda, by draping every town in the UK with a garish light display?

You only have to look at the recent case of homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals being encouraged to deface a copy of the Bible by writing vulgar messages inside it, all of which was publicly funded and partly organised by Glasgow City Council.

I'll give you christians one thing, you guys are not hypocritical when it comes to your overt homophobia.

There is a not a chance that something like that would have happened with the sacred text of a minority religion. The organisers would have probably been murdered if those messages had been written inside a copy of the Qur'an.

Right I see, so lunatic right wing christians like you, Donald Rumsfeld and George W Bush are TOLERANT not vindictive, little close minded bigots. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that because here was me labouring under the misapprehension that you were the latter, when actually, you are the former.

All of that was done in the name of "diversity" as well, by the way. Anyone else see a trend developing here?

And we'd hate to see those 'coloureds' getting a foothold in our society now wouldn't we?
Just out of interest, even if there was as much hoo haa about ramadan as there was about christmas, why would that bother you so much, doesn't islam have as much right to worship as any other faith, or would you also like to see the dismantling of those loony liberal mandates called 'Human Rights'? Or maybe just for Muslims?
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[LiverpoolHibs]

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If you're asking me if I think that people of different cultures living in Scotland/UK is a bad thing then the answer to that is no. Although I do think that the situation in some places in England has gone too far.

However, I don't agree with the way that issues such as multiculturalism are handled in this country. I think it is leading to scenarios like the one in that newspaper link in the opening post, whereby anything related to Christianity is being treated like some sort of taboo subject, whereas anything to do with other religions, especially Islam, are given the utmost respect and are openly embraced.

I'm not sure what world you live in.

http://enemiesofreason.blogspot.com/...mber-this.html

[Twa Cairpets]

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If you're asking me if I think that people of different cultures living in Scotland/UK is a bad thing then the answer to that is no. Although I do think that the situation in some places in England has gone too far.

However, I don't agree with the way that issues such as multiculturalism are handled in this country. I think it is leading to scenarios like the one in that newspaper link in the opening post, whereby anything related to Christianity is being treated like some sort of taboo subject, whereas anything to do with other religions, especially Islam, are given the utmost respect and are openly embraced.

Utter nonsense, both in your interpretation of the newspaper article and your wild belief that islam is embraced.

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You are putting words in my mouth. I did not say that kids aren't taught about Christmas, I said that they are taught about, and encouraged to embrace, festivals such as Eid, Ramadan and Diwali but when it comes to Christmas, or Christianity in general, people don't seem to be quite as quick to embrace it publicly because people on councils, usually atheists, believe that it will somehow offend people of minority faiths.

Have you any idea how moronically stupid that sentence is? Could you show me where you get your evidence (not anecdotes) that this army of cooncilmen atheists are plotting to avoid offending religions other than Christianity?

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You only have to look at the recent case of homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals being encouraged to deface a copy of the Bible by writing vulgar messages inside it, all of which was publicly funded and partly organised by Glasgow City Council.

There is a not a chance that something like that would have happened with the sacred text of a minority religion. The organisers would have probably been murdered if those messages had been written inside a copy of the Qur'an.

Untitled 2009 was proposed by the Metropolitan Community Church, a group which is an “inclusive Christian ministry to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered communities.” Their intention of the work was for “gallery visitors [to] suggest ways in which the Bible could be ‘reclaimed as a sacred text.
Link.
Presumably the wrong type of christian in your eyes?

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All of that was done in the name of "diversity" as well, by the way. Anyone else see a trend developing here?

Erm, no, it wasnt. You are mixing up so many moral outrages here it beggars belief.

[Twa Cairpets]

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I can see where people get the idea that there is a "rainbow alliance" full of disparate groups - all of whom have a grievance against society, but who have nothing else in common.

Just have a look at the rag tag rent-a-mob who show up at demonstrations. So often you find that they have no personal interest in the protest, rather that they are professional protestors.

The one that summed it up to me was when there was a request to put Tibetan prayer flags on Calton Hill. It just seemed to me that anything was acceptable as long as it was from somewhere else. Because, let's face it, this ain't Tibet, and I'm not aware of a large Tibetan community in Edinburgh.

I hadnt heard (or forgotten about) this. So I looked it up.

Actually, it has nothing to do with imposing Tibetan prayer flags or culture on Calton Hill. It was one architect's rather banal and twee idea for finishing the Disgrace.

You last paragraph is pointless. You're trying to make a point about the blanket acceptance of "foreign culture" using something that didnt happen as an example!

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I hadnt heard (or forgotten about) this. So I looked it up.

Actually, it has nothing to do with imposing Tibetan prayer flags or culture on Calton Hill. It was one architect's rather banal and twee idea for finishing the Disgrace.

You last paragraph is pointless. You're trying to make a point about the blanket acceptance of "foreign culture" using something that didnt happen as an example!

I accept that, happy to stand corrected.

In fact, I'm going to delete that misleading post, as that's the way that rumours start off.

[Phil D. Rolls]

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I have Muslim friends who enjoy the Xmas and New Year festivities.

There's plenty of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs down Great Junction Street who enjoy Xmas, counting what's in the till.

[Betty Boop]

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There's plenty of Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs down Great Junction Street who enjoy Xmas, counting what's in the till.

This is so true!

[lapsedhibee]

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In fact, I'm going to delete that misleading post, as that's the way that rumours start off.

Is it? I didn't know. Where did you hear that?

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Is it? I didn't know. Where did you hear that?

A bloke in the pub told me.