Ross Kemp in Afghanistan

[capitals_finest]

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Sorry mate, but again I have to repeat myself, I dont care what you think. Im not running in any election and I Im not out to get your support. Those that do, do so, those that dont dont. I cant expect all to be on my side, that would be Utopian.

Also, whats your point about Scots in the British Army? The minute you swear to that rag your an enemy to me. I dont care at all what you think of that or me. Im not left or right, your making pigeon holes, you wont find me in one.

And as for you talking about what the red coats did during the war ... this is a total different kettle of fish, many signing up asap as they did in the first world war for a larger greater cause. There is not a mass drive of the general public to sign up to go to fight a fascist movement across the world.

And Hiberlin I do agree we should move on...but move on and forget are two different things mate. Forgive and forget? No not me...move on but never forget. Im more than aware that it wasent Scots v English and I never suggested at anytime it was. I make no apology whatsoever for pointing out in the open who is an enemy to me.

If you don't care what anyone thinks then why are you having this discussion?

Also by using the term 'enemy' you are insinuating that you would use violence against anyone 'that swears to that rag' as you say? Are you abu hamza or some irish freedom fighter trapped in the 1980's?

[Crossgates Hibs]

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Fao citizen riz . I have read all of what you have had to say on this thread and you come across as a very bitter person. You will probably admit this? Many of your points i agree with but like any other loony lefty you spoil this by spouting some ridiculous small minded comments making yourself look like a tit. Sorry but to an ordinary working man thats what you come across as. The far right are the same they have some valid points but spoil them by showing themselves up as the racist arsholes that they are.

You say...
'The same army under the butchers apron are the same army of Culloden moor. The same that raped and murdered Scottish people in the name of the "crown" or the "king" there is blood of generations on that apron and it doesnt come out'

How can this be? Scotland has proportionately the greatest number of people in the British forces by far. It is well known that the SAS (the principle special forces unit of the British army) are usually 50-70% Scottish! Yet you say you hate them and that they are your enemies??? What about the 'redcoats' that helped defeat the nazis?

Stop giving him a platform to lecture us all on how great Scottish socialism is and bum himself up as some sort of freedom fighter. Your right he is a bitter person at least students grow out of all the oppression crap once they start earning decent money and join the masses he is stuck in a time warp. Hiberlin your right i think he has flat feet as well

[Riz]

Just because I dont care what others think of me, it doesnt mean to say I cant discuss it with others, some who agree some who disagree. Are you saying that we can only discuss things if we all agree and care about what each others think of us. Im not the kind of person that seeks or needs approval.

Also, you illustrate a point fantastically by likening me to Abu Hamza simply because I see the British State as an enemy. I am am part of the people, the proletariat and see the State as an enemy to that. I dont believe radical Islam is the answer and I dont believe that the current political structure will take the people forward.

[Riz]

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Stop giving him a platform to lecture us all on how great Scottish socialism is and bum himself up as some sort of freedom fighter. Your right he is a bitter person at least students grow out of all the oppression crap once they start earning decent money and join the masses he is stuck in a time warp. Hiberlin your right i think he has flat feet as well

You sum yourself up perfectly here, your ideal life is about making money and joining in with the masses, you obviously find comfort in the humdrum...anyone who doesnt subscribe to that sort of thinking is stuck in a time warp? Ive never once said I was or am a freedom fighter, I dont consider myself any different from any other person on this planet who cares for others before caring for himself. You and posters like you are the ones giving me titles, some polite, some rude, that one I have to say is a compliment, but Im certainly not.

[capitals_finest]

I think the point of this thread is BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!!

[Riz]

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I think the point of this thread is BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!!

As much as I agree that it would teach kids more of a oneness and hopefully point more kids on the straight and narrow (outwith the army) I think there are other programs the government could run without going that route, and if they scraped trident they would have more than enough money to pay for these programs, that and many more for the benefit of the whole population.

National service eh? a bit of a commi remark for you is it not?

I like your avatar by the way, I ment to say. I used images from the film for a recent record cover.

[capitals_finest]

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As much as I agree that it would teach kids more of a oneness and hopefully point more kids on the straight and narrow (outwith the army) I think there are other programs the government could run without going that route, and if they scraped trident they would have more than enough money to pay for these programs, that and many more for the benefit of the whole population.

National service eh? a bit of a commi remark for you is it not?

I like your avatar by the way, I ment to say. I used images from the film for a recent record cover.

Like you said earlier i don't fit into any pigeon hole when it comes to politics. What i will say though is it's refreshing to have a bit of a debate on .net for a change rather than all these whats your favourite threads.

Cheers it's a great film likes.

[Riz]

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Like you said earlier i don't fit into any pigeon hole when it comes to politics. What i will say though is it's refreshing to have a bit of a debate on .net for a change rather than all these whats your favourite threads.

Cheers it's a great film likes.

Indeed mate...and theres two things we agree on also lol, so it aint all bad

[Riz]

Check the cover here mate ...

http://www.dropzonerecords.com/shop/...?productID=115

[TPAKA]

Is Ross Kemp the bald chap?

[sharon 1875]

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Is Ross Kemp the bald chap?

Yes and a good looking one

[Hibrandenburg]

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Is Ross Kemp the bald chap?

This thread is now officially RE

[Gatecrasher]

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This thread is now officially RE

indeed

personally i thought it was a cracking series and it gave you a really good insight to how these survived and acted in the crazy situation they have been put in.

these guys came from the royal anglians (sp?) and i was surprised to see how well they took the blue on blue accident. They were really greatful from the support the americans have gave them

[capitals_finest]

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Check the cover here mate ...

http://www.dropzonerecords.com/shop/...?productID=115

Good job

[TPAKA]

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This thread is now officially RE

Just trying to bring a peaceful solution y'know.

Mellowing a little in my old age.

[Crossgates Hibs]

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Ok cabbageandribs ... In order to answer your question you need to look at the larger picture. I support Fidel but not blindly. Sure there are things he has done I dont agree with. Noones perfect and noone can or should claim to be or indeed expect anyone else to be.

I beleive that for the most part he has done well for the people of Cuba. The lower classes yes, the upper classes no. No mater who you are you cant please everyone, you will get support from some quarters and derision from another. I like the fact that Fidel has given Cuba the best health service AND the best education system in the whole continent of the Americas. All this despite being in a "cold war" situation with America and the west.

I think he has suffered alot of bad press, one sided press and STILL maintained his ethos for the people and the progression of the country. All this time the country has endured embargo's and is in a constant state of high alert while being technically "at war". He has also given a safe haven to oppressed people around the world from the West, many of which have came from the Black Panther Party. This is why I support him and people like him...that and he's not American lol.

Now to the subject of the Squaddies etc. I realise that my words will be met with furry by many, thats the nature of the beast. I am a supporter of my people, I support the man on the street and it is this very support that leads me to be against the British Army, its recruitment drives and its training as well as the actual job itself. I have a massive dislike to the emblems worn by the unwitting soldiers, many of Freemason origin, The Chevron ensemble etc, all very cloak and dagger and basically outlining perfectly the system in which we live in, which is a thus and them, a whats mines is mines and whats yours is mines. I dont want to live in that world and I dont want me children or my childrens, children to either. I doubt there is anyone who will disagree with me on that.

Now I see the army outside Schools and job centres, preying on the weak and ill informed. The areas that you see their vans in most notably in Glasgow are around lower class areas, working class areas such as Castlemilk, Sighthill, Riddrie, Drumchapel, this is very very wrong. You dont see them in Newton Mearns or Milngavie. Its shown across the parliament when you see who has a son or daughter in Iraq or Afghanistan...not many compared to that of the people.

Also, the boys being sent to war zones have little or no local knowledge, are grossly under equipped to do the job they do and are quite literally sent to their death and for what? Freedom? Oil? Pride? Revenge? Profit? You take your pick. Do they even know...do they even care? Is it a case of Ive been told so I will just do without even asking questions? If so then this is wrong. No people can walk into battle and kill another human being under orders. That makes you nothing more than a murderour, an alive one yes, but a murderour all the same.

The same army under the butchers apron are the same army of Culloden moor. The same that raped and murdered Scottish people in the name of the "crown" or the "king" there is blood of generations on that apron and it doesnt come out. However, I realsie that people need to survive and get by. I have a friend for example who's girlfriend is pregnant and is considering a career in the army in order to give his new baby all he can. Commendable as he is not just going to sit and wait for the giro to drop through his letter box. He also wants his HGV license and like many people before him, he has seen that in the army he can acquire that there, minimum of cost, minimum of fuss. My concern is that his child may grow up without a father as the war mongerours roll out their evil capitalist agenda across the middle east.

My concern IS for the troops, but also the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Its for the wider picture and political implications of the next generation, for the peace and progress of the planet as a whole...and the all out support of working class men and women both at home and in Afghanistan and Iraq regardless of race, religion, colour or creed.

I hope I have gone somewhat to explained my often off the cuff flippant remarks.

Thanks

Oh my god those bad soldiers must have grabbed poor Harry in Drumchapel and made him sign up. lol.

[Betty Boop]

Prince Harry in Afghanistan, nothing but a glorified public relations exercise for the Royals!

[sharon 1875]

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Prince Harry in Afghanistan, nothing but a glorified public relations exercise for the Royals!

Maybe he will meet ross kemp

[capitals_finest]

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Prince Harry in Afghanistan, nothing but a glorified public relations exercise for the Royals!

I m no fan of the royals but good on him. Just watched an interview with him and he seems a pretty down to earth person considering who he is. Like anyone else he can't choose the family he was born into but at least he aint sitting on his erse like many others would in his position.

[Chez]

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I m no fan of the royals but good on him. Just watched an interview with him and he seems a pretty down to earth person considering who he is. Like anyone else he can't choose the family he was born into but at least he aint sitting on his erse like many others would in his position.

[marinello59]

I mean, what is the point of Royals joining up if they are not going to be deployed in combat zones. Aye, it's alright for the rest of the Armed forcees to go out and lay their lives on the line...............sorry, what's that?

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Prince Harry in Afghanistan, nothing but a glorified public relations exercise for the Royals!

Bloody Royals, any chance they can get to boost their standing.

I am no fan of the Royals but a classic case here of damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

[Riz]

Good on harry, but its just a publicity stunt really.

[AndyP]

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The troops that shouldnt be there! I would have watched it if that tube got beheaded at the end!

And those red coat hanovarian's sure as hell aint nothing to do with me, or "our" boys. Poor undereducated, underpaid cannon fodder to the bourgeoisie maybe... and all they wanted was an HGV license eh? Poor brainwashed sods. Bring them home!

I take that as a very personal insult to the thousands of guys I've known in my time, not one of us would or could have been classed as brainwashed or cannon fodder or under educated.

I was VERY aware of what the British Military were up to at most given times, I also think that my time has given me a much better outlook on life and people in general and I would hazard a guess that I'm a better rounded, more experienced and less judgemental person than you.

[AndyP]

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I think the point of this thread is BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!!

Not wanted, not desired and un-workable IMO. Manpower constraints are one main cause for concern, when NS was last in use we still had a fairly large wartime military with some small scale conflicts taking place, Aden, Suez, Korea for instance. The modern military has enough problems mounting current Ops without having to divert some very experienced men and women to teaching the resident chavs a lesson in community spirit and endearing self sacrifice

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Your troops, not ours, your government, not mine, and they dont do thier job. And you dont wish to debate with me cos theres nothing to debate with you. Your a squaddie and I am your enemy. I live in the real word, you do what your boss tells you to do, cannon fodder to the bourgeoisie... and what of the lifes of those from Iraq and Afghanistan (who by the way dont want to live in your world, but you ignorantly enforce it on them?). I know whos side Im on and its not your red white and blue anyway!

Just out of interest how many Afghanis have YOU spoken to in Kabul/Bagram or Iraqis in Mossel or Basra......big fat zero would be my guess

[Riz]

Your guess would be utterly wrong then! And take my comments as offensive because they were supposed to be... now go stick that butchers apron where the sun dont shine!

[AndyP]

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Your guess would be utterly wrong then! And take my comments as offensive because they were supposed to be... now go stick that butchers apron where the sun dont shine!

Personally I think I'll ask Corrie for a bigger UF if it upsets you because you are really coming over as a bit of a tool.

Your comments are unfounded, you have no proof to back them up now jog on

[Riz]

Well bring the Union muck to ER and see how well your fellow Hibees appreciate it then? Jog on? Lol, so you need the patter of an ageing fitbae casual now? lol, mate, I dont hate you at all, infact I quite like your determination and indeed courage in the face or war and the enemy, I just question your thought and beliefs as to who actually is the enemy. Too many poor sods have been sent to thier deaths for no good reason but another rich mans gain. All the best to you all the same and I hope one day that you see where I am coming from more, other than just wiping it out as unpatriotic or whatever your seeing it as.

[AndyM_1875]

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Well bring the Union muck to ER and see how well your fellow Hibees appreciate it then? Jog on? Lol, so you need the patter of an ageing fitbae casual now? lol, mate, I dont hate you at all, infact I quite like your determination and indeed courage in the face or war and the enemy, I just question your thought and beliefs as to who actually is the enemy. Too many poor sods have been sent to thier deaths for no good reason but another rich mans gain. All the best to you all the same and I hope one day that you see where I am coming from more, other than just wiping it out as unpatriotic or whatever your seeing it as.

Ain't you ever seen the big Green white and Black UJ flags Riz?

Even as one who has no time for national flags (outwith the Saltire) at football games they are normally carried by knobs I thought they looked rather good myself and had the added bonus of winding up the Huns and the Tims, Scotland's own Ugly Sisters.

You are of course aware that an awful lot of guys who have served in the Royal Scots were/are supporters of Hibs and that the club has played bounce games with the soldiers at Redford Barracks as well as displaying a advertising recruiting board.
Further to that many of the bodies of the soldiers who died in the Quintinshill Train crash are buried in the Eastern Cemetary at the back of Easter Road Stadium - the ground of the football club that many of them followed.