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I say that you are arrogant and aggressive because:
1 - you are so quick to point out others mistakes and are aggressive
when doing so. And,
2 - You have a cheek to point out that others have not read things
properly and thereafter use irrelevant posts to justify your argument,
like you did with mine regarding swearing, you do not publicly admit
you have done so and admit you have made a mistake - that is
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Thread: Ross Kemp in Afghanistan
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24-02-2008 10:54 PM #31
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In the latter highlighted bold you just seem to, IMHO, give no respect to any of the others that you've replied. You don't give a rats ass, make assumptions, again IMHO, about linkage with Tommy Sheridan, then continue to dish out abuse. You also swear in equal measure to "eloquently" put your point across.
I agree you should be allowed to debate, but if you are, perhaps try in what some may perceive as slightly less arrogant manner & others may react accordingly.
Just my opinion mate.
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24-02-2008 11:09 PM #37This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Again, not trying to lecture you or anything bud, just my view on this thread & your reactions to some points made. I simply feel you could sometimes put them across less aggresively & with more thought to others opinions as you'd like for yours.
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24-02-2008 11:16 PM #39This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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24-02-2008 11:18 PM #40
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Forgive my swearing soft as it was. It does make my blood boil as a serviceman who is prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice have to hear opinions such as yours and the assumptions that we only join for a license. I have been serving over 20 years and have strong opinions on what the goverment is asking from the armed services. However we do our job and the goverment theirs.
I have no wish to debate with you as your ideal world is miles away from mine. You can live your fantasy and preach your ideals i will continue to live in the real world and hope that nobody who has lost a close relative etc has had to read your views about our troops.
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24-02-2008 11:26 PM #41
Your troops, not ours, your government, not mine, and they dont do thier job. And you dont wish to debate with me cos theres nothing to debate with you. Your a squaddie and I am your enemy. I live in the real word, you do what your boss tells you to do, cannon fodder to the bourgeoisie... and what of the lifes of those from Iraq and Afghanistan (who by the way dont want to live in your world, but you ignorantly enforce it on them?). I know whos side Im on and its not your red white and blue anyway!
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24-02-2008 11:33 PM #42
Since this thread was actually about ross kemp in afghanistan, i have just finished watching the episodes of this and it was good to watch. Its not about any of the crap your all debating about its about the people and how they are affected by what they do.
Its a horrible job, i dont agree with the war but im not going to just go on a rant and fire abuse about like some.
People join the army for various reasons, they arent all "brainwashed sods" and neither is anyone who has a different opinion from you riz, we are all individuals and free to think and believe what we want arent we?
The world as a whole is generally completely messed up, war to me seems to be part of human nature unfortunately, it was here long before this generation and itll be around long after we are gone. The human race will ultimately destroy itself.
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24-02-2008 11:40 PM #44
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EVERY SUPPORT HAS THEIR SHARE OF THEM.
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24-02-2008 11:52 PM #45This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And I work for myself. I am my own boss, best way to be really. And when your quite finnished with the old tag of "self importance" thats true, its because of the job I do and I am more than happy with that. However, if you truelly knew me you would know that the most important thing to me is OTHER people. Some may listen, some may not. I do alot for charity and I do alot for my local community and globally. If this then makes me look like Im up myself then so be it! Im happy that you want to get at me for this, shows I must be doing some good. And YES I am an enemy of the state and proud of it...paranoid? No Im not and I have been threatened with an ASBO and arrested twice by facist pigs under terrorism charges (released both times as there was nothing to go on other than what I said on stage). There are more like me than you may care to believe.
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25-02-2008 01:17 AM #46
shockerooni http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7261204.stm
also an interesting quote from a cuban exile http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7252937.stm
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It is, though, a significant step towards where we as exiles would like to see Cuba - a democracy with freedom of speech and liberty.
But it will not be fully achieved - and I will not be able to return - until he dies.
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Life in Cuba is completely controlled by the repressive organs of government.
If perhaps news of Castro's death had spread a few months ago, there might have been demonstrations which could have toppled the government.
Meanwhile, the public image of the dictator as leader of the masses continues to be manipulated through his supposed writings under his name, published in the official paper Granma, organ of the only legal political party on the island.
obviously these are just quotes from two different peoplei just honestly fail to see what your fascination and adulation for your comrades that control cuba is citizen riz ? and dont take my genuine intrigue as abuse btw
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25-02-2008 02:48 AM #47
Ok cabbageandribs ... In order to answer your question you need to look at the larger picture. I support Fidel but not blindly. Sure there are things he has done I dont agree with. Noones perfect and noone can or should claim to be or indeed expect anyone else to be.
I beleive that for the most part he has done well for the people of Cuba. The lower classes yes, the upper classes no. No mater who you are you cant please everyone, you will get support from some quarters and derision from another. I like the fact that Fidel has given Cuba the best health service AND the best education system in the whole continent of the Americas. All this despite being in a "cold war" situation with America and the west.
I think he has suffered alot of bad press, one sided press and STILL maintained his ethos for the people and the progression of the country. All this time the country has endured embargo's and is in a constant state of high alert while being technically "at war". He has also given a safe haven to oppressed people around the world from the West, many of which have came from the Black Panther Party. This is why I support him and people like him...that and he's not American lol.
Now to the subject of the Squaddies etc. I realise that my words will be met with furry by many, thats the nature of the beast. I am a supporter of my people, I support the man on the street and it is this very support that leads me to be against the British Army, its recruitment drives and its training as well as the actual job itself. I have a massive dislike to the emblems worn by the unwitting soldiers, many of Freemason origin, The Chevron ensemble etc, all very cloak and dagger and basically outlining perfectly the system in which we live in, which is a thus and them, a whats mines is mines and whats yours is mines. I dont want to live in that world and I dont want me children or my childrens, children to either. I doubt there is anyone who will disagree with me on that.
Now I see the army outside Schools and job centres, preying on the weak and ill informed. The areas that you see their vans in most notably in Glasgow are around lower class areas, working class areas such as Castlemilk, Sighthill, Riddrie, Drumchapel, this is very very wrong. You dont see them in Newton Mearns or Milngavie. Its shown across the parliament when you see who has a son or daughter in Iraq or Afghanistan...not many compared to that of the people.
Also, the boys being sent to war zones have little or no local knowledge, are grossly under equipped to do the job they do and are quite literally sent to their death and for what? Freedom? Oil? Pride? Revenge? Profit? You take your pick. Do they even know...do they even care? Is it a case of Ive been told so I will just do without even asking questions? If so then this is wrong. No people can walk into battle and kill another human being under orders. That makes you nothing more than a murderour, an alive one yes, but a murderour all the same.
The same army under the butchers apron are the same army of Culloden moor. The same that raped and murdered Scottish people in the name of the "crown" or the "king" there is blood of generations on that apron and it doesnt come out. However, I realsie that people need to survive and get by. I have a friend for example who's girlfriend is pregnant and is considering a career in the army in order to give his new baby all he can. Commendable as he is not just going to sit and wait for the giro to drop through his letter box. He also wants his HGV license and like many people before him, he has seen that in the army he can acquire that there, minimum of cost, minimum of fuss. My concern is that his child may grow up without a father as the war mongerours roll out their evil capitalist agenda across the middle east.
My concern IS for the troops, but also the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. Its for the wider picture and political implications of the next generation, for the peace and progress of the planet as a whole...and the all out support of working class men and women both at home and in Afghanistan and Iraq regardless of race, religion, colour or creed.
I hope I have gone somewhat to explained my often off the cuff flippant remarks.
Thanks
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25-02-2008 11:20 AM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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25-02-2008 12:09 PM #50This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
see how easy it is to get your point of view and opinions across when your not giving others abuse for differing citizen riz
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25-02-2008 12:42 PM #51
So do you think we should have no Army at all then Riz? I can see by your support of the Cuban revolution that you are not a pacifist so you must have an alternative in mind.
(The revolution is 50 next year by the way, I suggest the official slogan should be ''50 years on and still revolting''.)
Every gimmick hungry yob,
Digging gold from rock and roll
Grabs the mic to tell us,
He'll die before he's sold.
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25-02-2008 03:20 PM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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And yes I mean the original Black Pathers, Newton, Shakur etc.
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25-02-2008 03:29 PM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Yes I do believe in having an army. Scaled down tho. I dont believe in having nuclear weapons, I dont believe in the MASSIVE waste of money it incurs when our OAP's can on;y put on one bar on their electric heaters, when they can afford to eat properly, when our hospitals are falling apart, when firemen are paid a pittance to do their very admirable job, our schools need new books, new classrooms, new teachers, more subjects, our kids need more to do, they need to be off the street and out of harms way...this and many more but THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS will go into nuclear weapons.
I believe in a small home army, we will never be invaded and have no need to invade anyone anyway, as a member of the United Nations (of which I am not a fan of) we do not need a large army.
In conclusion, I want a Scottish Army NOT a British one, a free Scotland with its own army. Simple in thought really, harder in action Im sure ... hell I might even join then!
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25-02-2008 04:01 PM #55This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The education system we have at present is an utter farce - it does not meet a childs educational needs at all, its a One System Fits All system which, in practice, has proven futile and has failed. They are now pursuing a smaller number classroom which may be helpful, however, will not be enough to meet every childs educational requirements.
As for children, many parents (both working) cannot manage to give their children some necessities even. However, a child in care can get a pair of trainers that are 80 quid and the latest Fred Perry gear since the authorities are willing to give foster carers a clothing grant every month on top of the 260 quid they get for each child they look after each week. A foster carer looking after two children receive 520 quid a week plus a clothing grant. No parent would get such an allowance.Last edited by Chez; 25-02-2008 at 04:05 PM.
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25-02-2008 04:16 PM #56
Thanks Cherrose, appreciated. I too agree with your points above. Ive never heard that about the Foster parent funding, thanks for that info. Thats really shocking! It seems to be the way of the world sadly, to throw money at the wrong things and expect the right answers across the world ...
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25-02-2008 04:19 PM #57This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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25-02-2008 08:30 PM #58
Fao citizen riz
. I have read all of what you have had to say on this thread and you come across as a very bitter person. You will probably admit this? Many of your points i agree with but like any other loony lefty you spoil this by spouting some ridiculous small minded comments making yourself look like a tit. Sorry but to an ordinary working man thats what you come across as. The far right are the same they have some valid points but spoil them by showing themselves up as the racist arsholes that they are.
You say...
'The same army under the butchers apron are the same army of Culloden moor. The same that raped and murdered Scottish people in the name of the "crown" or the "king" there is blood of generations on that apron and it doesnt come out'
How can this be? Scotland has proportionately the greatest number of people in the British forces by far. It is well known that the SAS (the principle special forces unit of the British army) are usually 50-70% Scottish! Yet you say you hate them and that they are your enemies???What about the 'redcoats' that helped defeat the nazis?
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25-02-2008 09:08 PM #59This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Indeed, where do you stop. Shall we insist that the native Americans north and south are given there lands back, the Celts are again given back the vast majority of northern Europe, the Romans the southern part? Shall we insist that the Slavs pull out of eastern Europe and Asia and that the Neanderthals regain the upper hand over us.
Culloden was over 250yrs ago and things have moved on since then, some of it good other things not so good but they've moved on. Don't forget that even then it was Scot against Scot, father against son and brother against brother.
There's some prominent examples of what can happen when you try to turn back the centuries, the Israel/Palastine conflict or the Balkan conflicts.
No good can come about when you drag up ancient grievences, move on Riz mate.
Should auld acquaintance be forgot
Doesn't mean I don't love it when we stuff it to Engerlund.
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25-02-2008 09:30 PM #60This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Also, whats your point about Scots in the British Army? The minute you swear to that rag your an enemy to me. I dont care at all what you think of that or me. Im not left or right, your making pigeon holes, you wont find me in one.
And as for you talking about what the red coats did during the war ... this is a total different kettle of fish, many signing up asap as they did in the first world war for a larger greater cause. There is not a mass drive of the general public to sign up to go to fight a fascist movement across the world.
And Hiberlin I do agree we should move on...but move on and forget are two different things mate. Forgive and forget? No not me...move on but never forget. Im more than aware that it wasent Scots v English and I never suggested at anytime it was. I make no apology whatsoever for pointing out in the open who is an enemy to me.
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