Managerial Sack Race

[Smartie]

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I have a feeling that history might judge Southgate a lot kinder than people do in the present day

I watched their game against Greece last week and thought just that.

He made qualifying effortless and got them into positions to win stuff albeit they fell short.

Not to be sniffed at imo.

And having talented players for England isn’t new. Some of the squads from maybe 10-25 years ago were really quite ridiculous and should have achieved more than they did.

[DJ HIBBY]

Where I think England have underachieved now is their squad is stacked and one of the best international squads around. Whilst they had very good squads through the years, so did all the top nations. I look around the other international squads now and don’t quite think they are as good as their squads in the past. Holland, Brazil, Germany and even Spain do not possess the same talent and squads as they did around 15/20 years ago. This has been by far the best opportunity / period for England to win a trophy especially as they have been winning trophies in the youth groups. As others have said I’ve always they felt tactically they have played too safe under Southgate when they possess real talent to really punish teams if the handbrake is taken off

[easty]

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If anything he overachieved. Prior to his tenure England had reached one tournament final in their history. Southgate took them to two in four years plus their first World Cup semi-final nearly 30 years. Not winning finals against teams which were better than England is hardly underachievement.

England have almost always had excellent squads but are hamstrung by an insane level of fan/media pressure. Southgate's their first manager since Ramsey to rise above that and exploit their potential.

As I said, denying that he did a good job either smacks of jealousy or puts his critics in the same camp as Hibs fans who claim Jack Ross making us competitive in every cup competition and finishing third was compromised by the football allegedly not being good enough.

I don’t see how previous failings mean Southgates overachieved?

The squad they have now compared to other countries is all that he should be judged on.

He failed.

It’s like saying Clement has been successful at Rangers. All he’s done is win the games they should win.

[blackpoolhibs]

England have a few great players, but that defense will always struggle against quality forwards.

Great players, but a suspect team.

Southgate did well but not well enough for some.

[JimBHibees]

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Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

No doubting he struggled a bit against truly top teams. Quite like him and his defence of the players that missed the pens in the Euro finals a few years back was truly magnificent and heart warming. As always with England the press are a hindrance to the national manager than a help. A lot of the English players are genuinely over rated. Employing a German coach is a hugely bold step that is for sure.

[Since452]

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Southgate was superb for England. His record was outstanding. The 'easy draws' guff is nothing more than jealousy from Scotland fans. As you say Tuchel has his work cut out to match him, let alone do better.

Their greatest ever manager imo. Two Euro finals in a row with a World Cup QF in between is the stuff of dreams for England.

[HoboHarry]

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No doubting he struggled a bit against truly top teams. Quite like him and his defence of the players that missed the pens in the Euro finals a few years back was truly magnificent and heart warming. As always with England the press are a hindrance to the national manager than a help. A lot of the English players are genuinely over rated. Employing a German coach is a hugely bold step that is for sure.

Hope he brings as much success to England as his fellow German Bertie Vogts brought to us.

[Scouse Hibee]

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I don’t see how previous failings mean Southgates overachieved?

The squad they have now compared to other countries is all that he should be judged on.

He failed.

It’s like saying Clement has been successful at Rangers. All he’s done is win the games they should win.

Managers are always judged on what their predecessors achieved, Southgate was a resounding success as England manager. He will go down in history as one of England’s greatest managers and rightly so.

[Basildon Hibs]

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With him, I think they would have. England's players are as good as Spain's.

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[Basildon Hibs]

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There's no way Italy were a better team than England in the Euros. Final at Wembley as well.

Spain there's more of an argument.

With the squad available to him I'm firmly in the underachieved camp. Worried now Tuchel has the job and I'd make them favourites for the World Cup now.

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[MWHIBBIES]

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Insightful stuff.

[easty]

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Managers are always judged on what their predecessors achieved, Southgate was a resounding success as England manager. He will go down in history as one of England’s greatest managers and rightly so.

I’d love history to look back at Southgate as a success, it’ll mean England never achieve anything

[flash]

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I’d love history to look back at Southgate as a success, it’ll mean England never achieve anything

I would say getting to the final of two major tournaments would count as an achievement.

[easty]

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I would say getting to the final of two major tournaments would count as an achievement.

Hibs losing to Ross County and St Johnstone in the finals aren’t filed under “achievements” for me.

Each to their own eh

[blackpoolhibs]

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Hibs losing to Ross County and St Johnstone in the finals aren’t filed under “achievements” for me.

Each to their own eh

We dont need to worry about achieving those things now.

[Since452]

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Hibs losing to Ross County and St Johnstone in the finals aren’t filed under “achievements” for me.

Each to their own eh

If we'd only ever been to one final previously half a century ago then they would be achievements

[easty]

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If we'd only ever been to one final previously half a century ago then they would be achievements

Disagree.

[jacomo]

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I have a feeling that history might judge Southgate a lot kinder than people do in the present day

Yup, he made a hash of Euro 24, with England basically stinking the tournament out and making it to the final because of individual moments of brilliance rather than good tactics or game plan, but overall Southgate is easily England’s best manager since the 1960s.

[jacomo]

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England have got incredible strength in depth. Oh for Scotland to have anything like the players they have at their disposal.

[He's here!]

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If we'd only ever been to one final previously half a century ago then they would be achievements

Considering we've only won six finals in 149 years it's daft to suggest that reaching a final isn't an achievement in itself for Hibs.

It's certainly a bigger achievement than anything we do these days.

[Scouse Hibee]

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I’d love history to look back at Southgate as a success, it’ll mean England never achieve anything

Regardless of your dislike for England and Southgate, he has been the most successful England manager of my lifetime, that’s a fact.

[marinello59]

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Regardless of your dislike for England and Southgate, he has been the most successful England manager of my lifetime, that’s a fact.

Annoyingly likeable as well.

[Row H]

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Insightful stuff.

We all bow to your insight.

[cabbageandribs1875]

wonder if Raith Rovers will apologise to ian murray and ask him to return

3rd bottom

[MWHIBBIES]

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We all bow to your insight.

Do you? That's weird

[WestCoastHibby]

Duncan Ferguson and assistant/s sacked at ICT after going into administration
Hope he gets another crack at it

[Tambo]

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Not sure where this has come from and probably just a lot of nonsense.

[Dmas]

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Not sure where this has come from and probably just a lot of nonsense.

I watched a terrace podcast this morning about hibs and the game on Sunday and they kind of eluded to someone waiting in the wings and how they always thought that was the case, personally if it was Keane I think there’s no chance malky stays around and I think that would be too much for us to say we got wrong this early on all at once

[snedzuk]

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Hibs losing to Ross County and St Johnstone in the finals aren’t filed under “achievements” for me.

Each to their own eh

Completely agree. And yet we highlight these in the main stand 'programme corridor' (or at least we did last time I was in it).

[Heisenberg]

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I watched a terrace podcast this morning about hibs and the game on Sunday and they kind of eluded to someone waiting in the wings and how they always thought that was the case, personally if it was Keane I think there’s no chance malky stays around and I think that would be too much for us to say we got wrong this early on all at once

They’ll have definitely been meaning Mackay.