Climate change and the impending apocalypse

[hibsbollah]

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My immediate thought was "remember how the Hell's Angels provided security for the Stones at Altamont? How did that turn out?"

Four dead and many hospitalised, IIRC. Run of the mill for the London Marathon surely

[Moulin Yarns]

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My immediate thought was "remember how the Hell's Angels provided security for the Stones at Altamont? How did that turn out?"

I have no sympathy for the devil

[Ozyhibby]

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Scottish public behind drs.


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[Paul1642]

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I think out of every single sport, F1 is the one that's done more for the sustainability of the Earth than any other, and likely by orders of magnitude. So that's a bit of an odd target. Although there was an attempt to do something at last years grand prix at Silverstone.

There are two sides to this. 20 cars driving 200 miles at maximum speed every other week (plus qualifying and practices) , before transporting the cars and the teams (as well as some fan travel) to the next county must leave a pretty big footprint.

The flip side is that loads of innovation first designed for F1 use has filtered into the road car market making cars more efficient which is presumably what you’re referring to.

I imagine groundbreaking tech is more likely to come from Formula E these days however the sport just doesn’t have the same interest and investment as F1. I think that a switch to electric will be the future of F1 however no idea how long this will be.

[Stairway 2 7]

There's now an East West divide in Europe on the carbon to get their electricity. Germany are closing nuclear power plants and the shortfall will mostly come from coal and gas. It'll be great when we're fully renewable but on days with no wind and rain we need power from elsewhere, nuclear is better than fossil fuels being burnt. Eventually storage will solve the problem.

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The West vs East contrast in Europe on carbon intensity of electricity is pretty clear now, driven almost entirely by use of coal. Germany’s recent decisions have driven it further into the “East” category. Noon today. Green shades <100gCO2e/kWh, brown shades >300

[hibsbollah]

Some of the implications of profit first private water utilities in England that we are only now just discovering are just astonishing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ter-manchester

[Kato]

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Some of the implications of profit first private water utilities in England that we are only now just discovering are just astonishing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ter-manchester

Our Great British **** filled rivers should be a source of pride in Great Britain.

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[Jones28]

I found the new Space X launch and subsequent failure all a bit tragic for the environment yesterday.

We are imposing LEZ's in Glasgow and Edinburgh so that poorer people with older cars will have to pay to drive in to the centres of cities and people who are better off with newer cars don't have to pay, but a rich man can build a rocket, launch it, have it explode, shower the launch site with particulate and call it all a success.

[Paul1642]

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I found the new Space X launch and subsequent failure all a bit tragic for the environment yesterday.

We are imposing LEZ's in Glasgow and Edinburgh so that poorer people with older cars will have to pay to drive in to the centres of cities and people who are better off with newer cars don't have to pay, but a rich man can build a rocket, launch it, have it explode, shower the launch site with particulate and call it all a success.

Couldn’t agree with this more. As individuals we could probably all do more but in the grand scheme of things it would be a drop in the water conspired to the damage caused but mega rich corporations.

I try as often as possible to cycle to work to save taking the car for a 12 miles or so round trip but it really is futile when that one complete pointless rocket launch (does it count as a launch when it fails spectacularly?) has caused more damage than I ever could in 1000 lifetimes.

We can’t give up and say “what’s the point” but it really is depressing.

[Jones28]

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Couldn’t agree with this more. As individuals we could probably all do more but in the grand scheme of things it would be a drop in the water conspired to the damage caused but mega rich corporations.

I try as often as possible to cycle to work to save taking the car for a 12 miles or so round trip but it really is futile when that one complete pointless rocket launch (does it count as a launch when it fails spectacularly?) has caused more damage than I ever could in 1000 lifetimes.

We can’t give up and say “what’s the point” but it really is depressing.

I've put solar panels on the house recently, and according to the systems analysis the panels have saved us 443 kg's of CO2 since installation. I wonder how much CO2 went up in smoke yesterday?

[One Day Soon]

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Some of the implications of profit first private water utilities in England that we are only now just discovering are just astonishing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ter-manchester

We had 10,763 reported sewage spills into Scottish rivers and seas last year. Staggeringly this also appears to be the case: "Scottish Water monitors only nine per cent of overflows, and is required to monitor just three per cent - while in England and Wales, 80 per cent are monitored, with plans to ramp up to 100 per cent by the end of next year."

As a fairly keen angler I've got nothing but contempt for both the privatised water companies and the seemingly indolent state-owned Scottish Water. As a tax payer it is just enraging.

Paying private sector rates for anything in circumstances where it could be provided as - or more - efficiently by either the public sector or a mutualised model is one thing, but paying private sector rates for a literally 5hite service is just grotesque.

[One Day Soon]

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I've put solar panels on the house recently, and according to the systems analysis the panels have saved us 443 kg's of CO2 since installation. I wonder how much CO2 went up in smoke yesterday?

You are enraged on another thread about something - politics I think? I almost posted a reply suggesting you get in line.

The UK is responsible for about 1% of global annual CO2 emissions. That means Scotland is responsible for about 10% of 1% of total global emissions. For that we are imposing quite a lot of cost on some of the most vulnerable people in our country and gouging huge chunks out of our public and private expenditure to tackle global warming.

Meanwhile unless China, India, Brazil, Russia and the United States make massive cuts to their CO2 emissions everything we do will not matter in the slightest bit. And even if they do take huge steps forward our contribution will essentially be so marginal as to be meaningless.

Musk is a twat. A loathesome one. We need to get off this planet though (and we need to stay on it at the same time too).

I wouldn't worry too much, the AI hyperintelligent machines are likely coming for us soon... and I for one DON'T welcome our new overlords.

[Ozyhibby]

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You are enraged on another thread about something - politics I think? I almost posted a reply suggesting you get in line.

The UK is responsible for about 1% of global annual CO2 emissions. That means Scotland is responsible for about 10% of 1% of total global emissions. For that we are imposing quite a lot of cost on some of the most vulnerable people in our country and gouging huge chunks out of our public and private expenditure to tackle global warming.

Meanwhile unless China, India, Brazil, Russia and the United States make massive cuts to their CO2 emissions everything we do will not matter in the slightest bit. And even if they do take huge steps forward our contribution will essentially be so marginal as to be meaningless.

Musk is a twat. A loathesome one. We need to get off this planet though (and we need to stay on it at the same time too).

I wouldn't worry too much, the AI hyperintelligent machines are likely coming for us soon... and I for one DON'T welcome our new overlords.

Get off this planet?


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[Jones28]

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You are enraged on another thread about something - politics I think? I almost posted a reply suggesting you get in line.

The UK is responsible for about 1% of global annual CO2 emissions. That means Scotland is responsible for about 10% of 1% of total global emissions. For that we are imposing quite a lot of cost on some of the most vulnerable people in our country and gouging huge chunks out of our public and private expenditure to tackle global warming.

Meanwhile unless China, India, Brazil, Russia and the United States make massive cuts to their CO2 emissions everything we do will not matter in the slightest bit. And even if they do take huge steps forward our contribution will essentially be so marginal as to be meaningless.

Musk is a twat. A loathesome one. We need to get off this planet though (and we need to stay on it at the same time too).

I wouldn't worry too much, the AI hyperintelligent machines are likely coming for us soon... and I for one DON'T welcome our new overlords.

I'm not enraged about anything, thank you very much.

So it looks like you are in the camp of "theres **** all we can do so whats the point?" and you actually want off this planet and to live in a bubble world of Mars then?

[One Day Soon]

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Get off this planet?


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Yes. Go to Mars, explore the possibilty of achieving rare mineral abundance from passing asteroids, a moon base, interplanetary exploration etc. There's a lot of technological advance and abundance to be had out there and it could help resolve a lot of our problems down here.

[Jones28]

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Yes. Go to Mars, explore the possibilty of achieving rare mineral abundance from passing asteroids, a moon base, interplanetary exploration etc. There's a lot of technological advance and abundance to be had out there and it could help resolve a lot of our problems down here.

You do realise that these colonies will be reserved for the super rich and the prostitutes they take with them?

[One Day Soon]

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I'm not enraged about anything, thank you very much.

So it looks like you are in the camp of "theres **** all we can do so whats the point?" and you actually want off this planet and to live in a bubble world of Mars then?

"Bringing it back to the SNP, they have "must do better, C- "on their report card from me at the moment. I've drifted massively from politics in recent years because of the way Westminster politics has been, I just found myself getting angry."


You in your post #5820 of the SNP thread. Not enraged, just angry.

I didn't say there's nothing we can do, I'm just pointing out the numerical reality of what contribution we make to the problem and where the real opportunity to address it lies. The opportunity cost of doing this stuff is massive in a country currently struggling to deliver basic services so whatever we choose to do better be effective, high value for money and genuinely needed.

As for getting off the planet, see my post above. Clearly I don't mean that everyone should leave, its a figure of speech. The benefits of exploration and expansion into space will be enormous. If the machines let us that is...

[Jones28]

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"Bringing it back to the SNP, they have "must do better, C- "on their report card from me at the moment. I've drifted massively from politics in recent years because of the way Westminster politics has been, I just found myself getting angry."


You in your post #5820 of the SNP thread. Not enraged, just angry.

I didn't say there's nothing we can do, I'm just pointing out the numerical reality of what contribution we make to the problem and where the real opportunity to address it lies. The opportunity cost of doing this stuff is massive in a country currently struggling to deliver basic services so whatever we choose to do better be effective, high value for money and genuinely needed.

As for getting off the planet, see my post above. Clearly I don't mean that everyone should leave, its a figure of speech. The benefits of exploration and expansion into space will be enormous. If the machines let us that is...

If you read the post that you just quoted back to me you'd understand that I USED TO get angry about politics so I have distance myself from it.

I think we all know that the individual contributions are a drop in the ocean but I don't feel we can afford to have that attitude any more, everyone needs to do all they can to reduce their impact on the climate.

[Jones28]

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Really? That's your go to?

Deleted the post, it was poor. Apologies.

[Stairway 2 7]

Think people would be surprised how much co2 the uk has cut. Its down almost half from 2005 it's at its lowest point since 1850. It's lower than most in Europe too. If the tories and clegg hadn't pushed back from nuclear it would be even lower, I'm confident we'll get net zero in a few decades

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[Ozyhibby]

There is no way of sustaining life on any planet we can reach.


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[hibsbollah]

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We had 10,763 reported sewage spills into Scottish rivers and seas last year. Staggeringly this also appears to be the case: "Scottish Water monitors only nine per cent of overflows, and is required to monitor just three per cent - while in England and Wales, 80 per cent are monitored, with plans to ramp up to 100 per cent by the end of next year."

As a fairly keen angler I've got nothing but contempt for both the privatised water companies and the seemingly indolent state-owned Scottish Water. As a tax payer it is just enraging.

Paying private sector rates for anything in circumstances where it could be provided as - or more - efficiently by either the public sector or a mutualised model is one thing, but paying private sector rates for a literally 5hite service is just grotesque.

It wasn’t really a point about England v Scotland comparisons, I was aware that Scottish water monitors far less than England, but anecdotally the problem does appear to be worse south of the border in that more stories are emerging of individual spills that are a threat to life, as opposed to just ‘releases’ of sewage (which is permitted and in fact necessary after heavy rains-I am guessing that’s the 10,000+ figure you’re quoting). And I don’t think that’s because of any inherent superiority we have up here, it’s systemic because of the nature of profit motive when there’s no effective governance. The private sector shouldn’t be anywhere near water policy, it’s too important.

Edit- I suppose I mean water delivery, not water policy.

[One Day Soon]

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Deleted the post, it was poor. Apologies.

And I deleted my reply to you quoting it because I didn't think it was fair to you for it to stay up after you'd deleted it. No need to apologise, all part of the rough and tumble.

[Paul1642]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65263650

Two just stop oil protests jailed for 3 years and 2 year 7 months respectively for closing the Dartford crossing.

I am normally all for harsh sentences when deserved and don’t agree with their methods at all however the sentences seem pretty harsh when compared to other crimes.

Serious assaults and house breaking struggle to get you jail time these days but cause financial harm to the rich and you’ve had it.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Think people would be surprised how much co2 the uk has cut. Its down almost half from 2005 it's at its lowest point since 1850. It's lower than most in Europe too. If the tories and clegg hadn't pushed back from nuclear it would be even lower, I'm confident we'll get net zero in a few decades

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Will help further. Work started on a solar farm that will power 100k homes and be the biggest in the uk, although it should be beaten by one that will power 350k. Uk is planned to go from around 4% of power to come from solar to almost a quarter, some huge windfarms coming to. If battery technology keeps advancing then Scotland in particular is in a great position to eventually be a net exporter of renewable power

https://archive.ph/YEkjr

[Ozyhibby]

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Will help further. Work started on a solar farm that will power 100k homes and be the biggest in the uk, although it should be beaten by one that will power 350k. Uk is planned to go from around 4% of power to come from solar to almost a quarter, some huge windfarms coming to. If battery technology keeps advancing then Scotland in particular is in a great position to eventually be a net exporter of renewable power

https://archive.ph/YEkjr

Would be good if they went back to supporting individual households to install. That would leverage lots of private investment. Not as much benefit to the energy companies though.


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[WhileTheChief..]

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Yes. Go to Mars, explore the possibilty of achieving rare mineral abundance from passing asteroids, a moon base, interplanetary exploration etc. There's a lot of technological advance and abundance to be had out there and it could help resolve a lot of our problems down here.

This would make more sense if it was other way round. As it is, looking at Mars, there's not really much appeal to it!

Whereas, if we lived on Mars just now, and saw the lush green and blue of the Earth in the distance, it would be somewhere lovely to aspire to get to!

[Stairway 2 7]

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Would be good if they went back to supporting individual households to install. That would leverage lots of private investment. Not as much benefit to the energy companies though.


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Defo it's really a no brained you'd think.

Another major problem I see is people's heating. People can't buy food never mind an electric heating system. Government support is needed but the two at Westminster will kick it to each other.

[Stairway 2 7]

Interested article in the national about the nations pushing hydrogen as a green gas ie China and Qatar

https://archive.ph/72JUP

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...box=1682439398

This will do more than most govt legislation to move things.


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