The Trans Rights Debate

[Since90+2]

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She just drops the court action, who can stop her when she becomes FM?

And you think the bill then just disappears into thin air does it? It would be returned to Holyrood to face amendments.

Kate Forbes, if elected as FM, would not have the power to simply drop the bill. You don't understand how the parliamentary system works.

[James310]

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And you think the bill then just disappears into thin air does it? It would be returned to Holyrood to face amendments.

Kate Forbes, if elected as FM, would not have the power to simply drop the bill. You don't understand how the parliamentary system works.

Not sure you do, the UN Children's Rights Bill is still waiting on a shelf and will I guess never see the light of day again. The GRA will go the same way.

Anyway I thought SNP voters now supported dropping it as it was too much hassle. Don't touch minorities was the line.

[Since90+2]

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Not sure you do, the UN Children's Rights Bill is still waiting on a shelf and will I guess never see the light of day again. The GRA will go the same way.

Anyway I thought SNP voters now supported dropping it as it was too much hassle. Don't touch minorities was the line.

I've no idea what SNP voters think of it, I don't particularly care either to be quite honest. I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies in your earlier claim.

[archie]

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I've no idea what SNP voters think of it, I don't particularly care either to be quite honest. I'm just pointing out the inaccuracies in your earlier claim.

What do you think happens to legislation after it passes stage 3?

[He's here!]

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She just drops the court action, who can stop her when she becomes FM?

If Forbes were to be elected I imagine she'd just let the April deadline for court action slide. She could have voted against the bill remotely while on maternity leave but opted not to vote at all. She certainly wouldn't want the debate on a bill she disagrees with on religious grounds to be reignited in the opening weeks of her taking on the FM role. It would mean a showdown with the Greens but there will be plenty in her party who would be happy to ditch that toxic partnership.

There certainly seems to have been a sea change of opinion on the bill since Sturgeon's downfall. From the s35 being loudly declaimed as an outrageous attack on democracy there's barely a peep about it now as we return to a wheesht for indy footing.

[Ozyhibby]

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You clearly don't understand the Holyrood system. The FM, whether that be the Kate Forbes or not, does not have the unilateral power to drop any bill.

The bill has already passed. It’s up to the UK govt now. I’d leave it with them.


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[147lothian]

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If Kate Forbes becomes the SNP leader and as expected she drops the Bill does the SNP leader become anti SNP? That's wild.

Kate Forbes was one of 15 SNP politician's that signed a letter back in 2019 calling for the SG not to "rush" into legislation that could change the definition of what it means to be male or female. Then we have 9 SNP MSP's who defy the party whip and vote against the GRRB.

Nicola Sturgeon brushes all the legitimate concerns about Gender Self-ID from within her own party aside saying they are "not valid" and told no-one within the inner echelons of the SNP that it was her intention to resign, no succession planning, this can only be described as narcissistic behavior. It speaks volumes of what her style of leadership must have been like.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The bill has already passed. It’s up to the UK govt now. I’d leave it with them.


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They can use it as a template for their own legislation:)

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The bill has already passed. It’s up to the UK govt now. I’d leave it with them.


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Except what will UKG have to do? The pressing issue is the judicial review, which is time limited. What do you think happens if neither side does anything more?

[archie]

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They can use it as a template for their own legislation:)

I think all Westminster politicians will have been watching very closely.

[Glory Lurker]

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I think people have the right to live their life as they choose. But surely you acknowledge that there is a legitimate discussion about how living that life impacts on others? As for the 'hunt for the SNP' comment, the constitution is not the only prism that people can view issues through. A number of SNP supporters are very concerned about the issue. Are they anti SNP too?

Legitimate discussion, of course. Stirring in "trans butcher" type stuff, no. All done by the anti-SNP MSM for political gain.

Different matter completely to SNP members objecting or even leaving.

[Ozyhibby]

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Except what will UKG have to do? The pressing issue is the judicial review, which is time limited. What do you think happens if neither side does anything more?

Nothing happens. It doesn’t go for royal assent.


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[Since90+2]

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Nothing happens. It doesn’t go for royal assent.


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IMO it will eventually passed, but with the bill being watered down with amendments.

[Ozyhibby]

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IMO it will eventually passed, but with the bill being watered down with amendments.

It’s been passed already. The Scottish parly can’t just keep debating the same issue over and over again hoping the uk govt won’t stop it. The uk govt are not engaging on the issue either so it’s stuck really. There are other issues to be going on with in Scotland. No more parliamentary time should be allocated to it.


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[Since90+2]

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It’s been passed already. The Scottish parly can’t just keep debating the same issue over and over again hoping the uk govt won’t stop it. The uk govt are not engaging on the issue either so it’s stuck really. There are other issues to be going on with in Scotland. No more parliamentary time should be allocated to it.


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Its been passed but if the UK government continue to block it, which they will, it will either be returned to Holyrood and then passed with amendments or completely dumped. IMO the former is more likely than the latter.

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Its been passed but if the UK government continue to block it, which they will, it will either be returned to Holyrood and then passed with amendments or completely dumped. IMO the former is more likely than the latter.

I thought you said it couldn't just be dumped?

[Since90+2]

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I thought you said it couldn't just be dumped?

No, I never. Please read the thread correctly before commenting, save us both a bit of time.

I said Kate Forbes, if elected FM, would not be able to unilaterally get rid of it.

Hint - the key word is unilaterally.

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/markmcgeoghegan/...oOIGi8b42zNGuQ

Why new SNP leader should leave this issue where it is.


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[Glory Lurker]

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https://twitter.com/markmcgeoghegan/...oOIGi8b42zNGuQ

Why new SNP leader should leave this issue where it is.


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Amazing that it's had the impact it's had at all, when you look at those figures.

[Stairway 2 7]

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https://twitter.com/markmcgeoghegan/...oOIGi8b42zNGuQ

Why new SNP leader should leave this issue where it is.


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The cost of living and the NHS is by far the most important thing to voters, but they think independence and GRA are by far the two things SNP are interested in with the NHS and cost of living much further back.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Iain_L/status/1626999201757364225

Could do with an economically astute leader next

[He's here!]

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Amazing that it's had the impact it's had at all, when you look at those figures.

Solely down to Sturgeon's intransigence. Turned out, as Rowling predicted, to be her Poll Tax.

She's left them stuck between a rock and a hard place on this, whichever way they turn.

[Glory Lurker]

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Solely down to Sturgeon's intransigence. Turned out, as Rowling predicted, to be her Poll Tax.

She's left them stuck between a rock and a hard place on this, whichever way they turn.

Not that anyone really cares, going by those figures though

[Stairway 2 7]

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Not that anyone really cares, going by those figures though

They think the government cares much more about it compared to the NHS or cost of living though, going by the other figures.

[Glory Lurker]

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They think the government cares much more about it compared to the NHS or cost of living though, going by the other figures.

All good now it's in the Royal Assent long grass.

[James310]

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All good now it's in the Royal Assent long grass.

Why? Weren't you outraged only a few weeks ago when the UK Government blocked it. What's changed your mind?

[Stairway 2 7]

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All good now it's in the Royal Assent long grass.

Is it not going to court though

[Glory Lurker]

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Why? Weren't you outraged only a few weeks ago when the UK Government blocked it. What's changed your mind?

I think I questioned how devolution could function properly if action was taken against bills just because they might have an impact outside Scotland. I don't think I focused on the substance of this bill. As I've said often enough I don't know the detail of it so I'd be surprised if I made a case for it the way you are saying.

[Glory Lurker]

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Is it not going to court though

I don't know. Who is the next FM and what are they going to decide?

[James310]

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I think I questioned how devolution could function properly if action was taken against bills just because they might have an impact outside Scotland.

So devolution should mean the Scottish Parliament has powers to change laws impacting the rest of the UK?

This is a great example of devolution working as it should.

[Glory Lurker]

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So devolution should mean the Scottish Parliament has powers to change laws impacting the rest of the UK?

This is a great example of devolution working as it should.

All fair enough. I wasn't outraged, nor have I had a change of view on the treatment of the bill though. :-)