Hibs Women

[hibby rae]

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11 players, manager, coach, physio at the rates you are speaking about means you are looking at £250k a season to run a team that plays in front of a paying public in the tens. That's bonkers.

Oh they defo get more than that. The last game I was at last month was very well-attended for Meadowbank.

I would have guessed 300ish.

Now that was against Spartans but gives an idea.

[hibby rae]

With the men not playing this weekend, it's a good opportunity to nip along to see the women play.

Scottish Cup against East Fife on Sunday, so should be a few goals. Can buy advance tickets on fanbase as well.



I think it would be beneficial to the women's game in general if they reverted to a summer league from the Covid switch, but that might be tricky to do. However, I think it would allow an opportunity to increase attendances, and the women's league is more kid-friendly so mid-week games could also benefit from the lighter, warmer nights and no school in the morning.

[Brightside]

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With the men not playing this weekend, it's a good opportunity to nip along to see the women play.

Scottish Cup against East Fife on Sunday, so should be a few goals. Can buy advance tickets on fanbase as well.



I think it would be beneficial to the women's game in general if they reverted to a summer league from the Covid switch, but that might be tricky to do. However, I think it would allow an opportunity to increase attendances, and the women's league is more kid-friendly so mid-week games could also benefit from the lighter, warmer nights and no school in the morning.

Totally agree and play more at Easter Rd when the pitch is ready for it. Cheap tickets - make money from the extras. Meadowbank is really awful for football - I've watched then twice there and its not a great day out.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Totally agree and play more at Easter Rd when the pitch is ready for it. Cheap tickets - make money from the extras. Meadowbank is really awful for football - I've watched then twice there and its not a great day out.

No chance, until such times as we have a hybrid pitch, the less football played on that park the better.

And i'm far from convinced the money they pay the players is from money the womans team generate.

[PHeffernan]

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So basically financed the same way as most men’s clubs🤷🏼*♂️🤷🏼*♂️

Of course but the important factor is how much finance.
Hibs mens team average paying attendance at home games is 17,000
Hibs womens team average paying attendance at home games is more like 170.
So 1% of the supporters isn't going to add up to much income so not financed the same way.

[Northernhibee]

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Of course but the important factor is how much finance.
Hibs mens team average paying attendance at home games is 17,000
Hibs womens team average paying attendance at home games is more like 170.
So 1% of the supporters isn't going to add up to much income so not financed the same way.

So we've gone from the tens to one hundred and seventy.

Is it possible you don't know the numbers involved at all?

[GreenCastle]

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£40pm - although it is changing this year depending on age (younger or less and they don’t have refs and less training). Strips will be provided as part of this.

National Performance teams (the equivalent of the boys academy) will pay £42pm - boys pay £0.

How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

Most teams train twice - younger teams for 2 x 1h and the older 2 x 1.5h. HTC gets used now and again but they’re basically nomads bouncing around the city.

It all sits under the community, including boys teams - the difference is the performance teams for girls sit in the community (and pay), whereas the boys performance teams are part of the club and don’t.

[PHeffernan]

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So we've gone from the tens to one hundred and seventy.

Is it possible you don't know the numbers involved at all?

Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.

[Brightside]

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Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.

You need to stop saying you “suspect” when you clearly have no idea. Montrose would pump Glasgow Women.
You know the 19s gave away 1000s of tickets recently for the Dortmond game. It’s a strategy that works and is used in many sports all over the world. Womens football needs to tap into the family market and make its money from the side product, not from tickets. Playing at meadowbank won’t help the ambition.

[Pretty Boy]

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How often do the teams train a week?

Assume the costs are for pitches ?

I don’t think Hibs even pay their coaches in the girls academy? Maybe wrong here ?

The boys academy has been going for many years ? But I see the foundation have a boys academy too? Assume that’s a pre-academy ?

This is where I find it annoying Hearts use Oriam and Hibs should be using HTC but it’s so far away for many players it makes it hard to get to regularly.

Girls Academy coaches are volunteers.

Some of the teams train at HTC but others are dotted about. The youngest age group are at the Jack Kane Centre, others are elsewhere. The girls have 2 teams at each age group, national and regional. The former is elite whilst the latter is more about participation.

I was chatting to Edward who heads up the Girls Academy a couple of weeks ago. He's a really good guy and so enthusiastic but they are up against it. As said above as it stands the girls teams are paying subs, paying for kits etc and don't really have a 'Hibs identity'. That makes it hard to be a really attractive proposition to the best young girls. There is definitely ambition and enthusiasm to take it in the right direction, what it needs is finance.......

[Pretty Boy]

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Only Hibs Women administrators know their teams paying attendances. I suspect the numbers are very poor so they are kept private.
We are only told about attendances when tickets are free.
The club with the current worst average attendances in Scotland are Albion Rovers with 307. That would be a good first target for Hibs Women to exceed. Paying customers is the elephant in the room for Scottish womens football clubs.

The players, teams and budgets are improving every year but the gap between the have and have nots is also growing fast which is well illustrated by Glasgow Women who have lost all 18 games and have a goal difference of -87. That is not a good look for the league.
It looks like Montrose will be Glasgow Womens replacement next season. I suspect a team from a town of 10,000 people will struggle with the step up.

I did find the Scottish FA strategy for Girls and Women’s football, Accelerate Our Game, which outlines a desire to improve visibility by ‘increasing average crowds at domestic league and cup fixtures by 10% annually.’ This kpi is all very well but if it is achieved by giving more free tickets away and gate receipts are still negligible it is meaningless.

I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

[Eyrie]

The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

[marinello59]

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The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

I couldn’t agree more, the key really is getting more girls playing and just as importantly enjoying the game. And the more we have playing in Hibs colours the better, it can bring whole families in to supporting the club who we may previously have missed.
The odd 9-0 score , whilst not pretty, doesn’t bother me too much. You are going to get that in any nascent league regardless of whether it’s women or men playing. As standards improve, and they already are at a rate of knots, , that type of result will become as rare as a 6-0 thumping of the Dons.

[hibby rae]

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I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

My pal's girl has a season ticket at ER. She plays as a CH for Hutchie and when it came to squad numbers she got 17, she asked for it because that's Joelle Murray's number. The women are the heroes to her.

The saying 'you have to see it to be it' is true.


The engagement from the women to their fans is brilliant.

[hibby rae]

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The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

Although I very much enjoyed seeing us put 8 past the Huns. Sad we won't see that again.

[Brightside]

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The key part for me in what you say isn't building the fan base but the fact that your daughter is playing as everything else will stem from that. As playing numbers increase then the standard will increase and that in itself will drive up crowds, drawing more interest and finance into the women's game in a virtuous circle.

It's difficult at times to leave aside the tribal antipathies of the men's game but I'll admit to being impressed by the standard of Rangers' play against us on Thursday evening.

I'd agree though with PHeffernan's point about Glasgow Women being out of their depth. Matches need to be competitive and it doesn't do the top league any favours to routinely see seven or eight goal victories. I remember us beating Motherwell 9-0 in the Women's Cup Final (Arnott, now with Rangers, got five) and it was a dreadful advert for the game.

You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Girls Academy coaches are volunteers.

Some of the teams train at HTC but others are dotted about. The youngest age group are at the Jack Kane Centre, others are elsewhere. The girls have 2 teams at each age group, national and regional. The former is elite whilst the latter is more about participation.

I was chatting to Edward who heads up the Girls Academy a couple of weeks ago. He's a really good guy and so enthusiastic but they are up against it. As said above as it stands the girls teams are paying subs, paying for kits etc and don't really have a 'Hibs identity'. That makes it hard to be a really attractive proposition to the best young girls. There is definitely ambition and enthusiasm to take it in the right direction, what it needs is finance.......

A lot of this is correct - not only the youngest teams are at JKC though and some age groups have more than 1 regional team.

Edward has been fairly impressive so far though.

[hibby rae]

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You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

Dean Gibson - 'Hold my pint'

[PHeffernan]

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I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

Great post with a classic equality angle of girls seeing people like them playing professional football so they are now able to see football as being for girls.
Like you I attended the high attendance games against Hearts and the Cup Final but getting supporters like us along to league games at Meadowbank is the real issue.

[hibby rae]

Offering a women's season ticket with the men's ticket as an add-on would be a good step.

Remember the derby next Sunday afternoon is also a free ticket event, make sure the women have a good backing because Hearts will have good-sized crowd. Looks like it'll beat the last attendance

[PHeffernan]

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Offering a women's season ticket with the men's ticket as an add-on would be a good step.

Remember the derby next Sunday afternoon is also a free ticket event, make sure the women have a good backing because Hearts will have good-sized crowd. Looks like it'll beat the last attendance

Ages ago I suggested adding £10 to the season ticket price with the season ticket entitling the holder to attend all home league games of Hibs men, woman, development and U18 boys teams. At the present season ticket level that would raise £113k a season and would drive up attendances and interest in the teams outwith the mens 1st team. Needless to say the moaners weren't happy at the suggestion.

[Eyrie]

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You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

I'm fine with that happening in the cups if the teams are in different leagues. East Fife aren't just in the league below us but are bottom of it.

[Brightside]

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I'm fine with that happening in the cups if the teams are in different leagues. East Fife aren't just in the league below us but are bottom of it.

There are too many teams in the top Div tbh. Should be 8 maximum.

[Bridge hibs]

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You are always going to have teams that are out of their depth. Hibs are playing east fife in the cup. If it’s not double figures something has gone wrong.

So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

[He's here!]

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I don't think it's meaningless, it's about building a fanbase and an identity for years to come. Women's football isn't going away.

My daughter is 5 and has a ST at ER. She's usually pretty bored and the Nintendo Switch and chips keep her entertained. I took her to the women's game at ER last season v Hearts and she seemed much more engaged but I wasn't sure if I imagined it. This season she has been to the Capital Cup game and the final v Rangers and she is definitely more focussed and interested in the women's games. I asked if she wanted to go to the football on Tuesday just past. She asked if it was 'boys or girls', when I answered boys she said 'na'. Had I said girls I think she would have went.

2 of the 3 games I took her to above were free to enter but the women's team have earned a fan. Next season I'll be taking her far more often. That's 2 paying customers through the door thanks to a free ticket scheme. I'm not saying my daughter is typical of all girls but I think it's so important for young girls to see people like them playing the game and not just watching 'the boys'. She's playing football after school now and will be signing for a team next season. One free ticket has gone a long way.

That's interesting. My youngest son and a big bunch of the kids from his primary school used to get free tickets for games from a teacher who played women's football. We went to quite a few including Hibs v Glasgow City in the Scottish Cup final and a Scotland Women's game at ER. No question the chance to be there with loads of his pals and the generally more family-friendly vibe made it more enjoyable than most of the Hibs men's games I took him to.

I think (as we can see how it's taken off in England) the women's game has a lot of potential. I'd like to see them play alternate weekends at ER to the men. Far more to be said for taking the family along to a home Hibs women's game than, say, taking a young child to Ibrox for a men's game.

[hibby rae]

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So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

Last season we put 12 past Gartcairn, who are 2nd in the league, and 10 past Dundee United, who got promoted.

[Brightside]

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So what is the difference between the two teams ? I have never seen East Fife but recently watched hibs v rangers and for the best part hibs were poor, particularly in defence

Are East Fife so bad you are expecting double figures from hibs ?

East fife are a recreational team. Once we leave the top league it’s a sharp drop in performance level.

[GreenCastle]

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East fife are a recreational team. Once we leave the top league it’s a sharp drop in performance level.

The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.

[PHeffernan]

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The top league is turning like the men’s set up..all about money.

Rangers / Celtic and Glasgow City title challengers.

Hearts and Hibs pay more hence 4th and 5th.

The rest are all pretty average and obviously Glasgow Women struggling.

Aberdeen should be doing better. Plus the SWPL
Only has 1 relegation shop so basically closed shop (yeah teams below aren’t ready for move up yet ).

The top teams don’t need help it’s the other clubs that do or you will just get the exact same issues as men’s game - teams moaning their isn’t any competition.

Even at younger ages teams are hoovering up young talent then moaning there is no competition ! You would think the coaches at clubs like Hearts would actually want to do some coaching. Hearts are linked to Oriam like I said before and it’s where the SFA offices are so it’s all a little cozy with several Hearts players in national youth teams - with some national coaches with close links to Hearts set up - basically conflict of interest.

All teams have played 18 league games.
In those 18 games the top 4 teams have conceded a total of 30 goals.
Hibs in 5th have conceded 31 so on average Hibs are conceding 4 times as many goals as the top 4 teams.
The bottom team have conceded 93 goals and scored 6.

The top 3 teams are full time professionals and the 4th and 5th best teams a mixture of full time and part time professionals. The teams 6th to 11th are getting by, taking a very high percentage of their points from cuffing the bottom team and taking points off each other.

James Anderson pays a big chunk of money to Hibs and Hearts to make the games between the two free to attend which is great BUT they compete for the contrived Capital Cup thereby conveniently pretending that fellow capital SWPL team Spartans don't exist.
I know it's just marketing but there is something nasty and distasteful about pretending Spartans don't exist. It has a bit of the Cinderalla's sisters about it.