The Trans Rights Debate

[Stairway 2 7]

She is bigger than the beatles, so it can't be traditional beauty contest criteria

[147lothian]

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“Here in Kirkcaldy, trans identifying Katie Dolatowski was convicted of assaulting a 10-year-old child in a local supermarket toilet. As a direct consequence the media framed this sexual predator as trans”

There lies one of the dangers. A whole community will be stigmatised by the actions of a few deviants who will exploit circumstances for their own nefarious ends.

This is why Gender self ID is flawed, from a woman's safety and child protection point of view.

[Moulin Yarns]

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This is why Gender self ID is flawed, from a woman's safety and child protection point of view.

The woman in Kirkcaldy is a sexual predator, regardless of gender. That kind of person will always be a threat, regardless of how they identify.

[CropleyWasGod]

Flipping things for a bit....

Someone asked earlier about trans men in the public arena.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/11/09/us-elections-james-roesener-first-trans-man-elected/

[Keith_M]

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Identifying as disabled…that concept was used by the SNP to create regional lists of prospective candidates for election iirc

[500miles]

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The woman in Kirkcaldy is a sexual predator, regardless of gender. That kind of person will always be a threat, regardless of how they identify.

Aye, but if it was a cis man, he wouldn't be freely roaming the halls of a women's refuge weeks later.

[Keith_M]

I've decided to self identify as a Barcelona Fan...

[147lothian]

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In case anyone gets het up about the conversation on the right there, it's a satirical account, written by Andrew Doyle.

This stuff is Comedy Gold

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Gender recognition bill to be amended:

MSPs vote for changes to gender recognition bill - BBC News

A small step in the right direction.

And in a bizarre development a woman wearing 'suffragette colours' was ejected from the parliament:

Scottish parliament apologises after suffragette scarf row - BBC News

Actually looks more like a Hibs scarf.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Gender recognition bill to be amended:

MSPs vote for changes to gender recognition bill - BBC News

A small step in the right direction.

And in a bizarre development a woman wearing 'suffragette colours' was ejected from the parliament:

Scottish parliament apologises after suffragette scarf row - BBC News

Actually looks more like a Hibs scarf.

The suffragette colours have been adopted by the anti trans activists according to a report I read.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The suffragette colours have been adopted by the anti trans activists according to a report I read.

Does anti trans mean against trans or just have a different opinion on whether trans women are literally women. joanna cherry was tweeting a complaint about it yesterday. I'd doubt snp would allow someone who was anti trans to be in the party

[marinello59]

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The suffragette colours have been adopted by the anti trans activists according to a report I read.

Are you saying that somehow justified throwing this woman out of our centre of democracy?

[Moulin Yarns]

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Are you saying that somehow justified throwing this woman out of our centre of democracy?

No, but that's what I saw being reported as to the reason. No 'overtly' political symbols are allowed, apparently.

[Rumble de Thump]

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Does anti trans mean against trans or just have a different opinion on whether trans women are literally women. joanna cherry was tweeting a complaint about it yesterday. I'd doubt snp would allow someone who was anti trans to be in the party

It means anti-transgender.

[Stairway 2 7]

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It means anti-transgender.

Well if its actually anti transgender as a group, why haven't snp done anything against joanna cherry condemning it and why have scot gov said she shouldn't have been thrown out.

[147lothian]

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The suffragette colours have been adopted by the anti trans activists according to a report I read.

Have you ever thought that this could be because the report you read is from an echo chamber, that confirms the idea that a man can click his fingers and become a woman and that anyone who doesn't go along with this and holds the view that the reality of biological sex matters, also that woman's sex-based rights have to be protected, a view held by the left until 5 minutes ago is now regarded as transphobic by people who want to erase womanhood.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Have you ever thought that this could be because the report you read is from an echo chamber, that confirms the idea that a man can click his fingers and become a woman and that anyone who doesn't go along with this and holds the view that the reality of biological sex matters, also that woman's sex-based rights have to be protected, a view held by the left until 5 minutes ago is now regarded as transphobic by people who want to erase womanhood.

....like the BBC?

"More recently, they have also become associated with those opposed to changes to gender recognition laws."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63639814

All that piece, and others in other outlets, is saying is that is how the colours are perceived by some. Some. No echo chamber. No opinion given, just stating a fact.

[Stairway 2 7]

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....like the BBC?

"More recently, they have also become associated with those opposed to changes to gender recognition laws."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63639814

All that piece, and others in other outlets, is saying is that is how the colours are perceived by some. Some. No echo chamber. No opinion given, just stating a fact.

That says people who appose changes, that is very different to anti trans. That's an opinion not a fact for many

[CropleyWasGod]

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That says people who appose changes, that is very different to anti trans. That's an opinion not a fact for many

An opinion or a perception?

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The suffragette colours have been adopted by the anti trans activists according to a report I read.

I'm unaware of any 'anti-trans' activist groups here, only people standing up for women's rights. That doesn't make you anti-trans.

[147lothian]

It's worth remembering that the reason feminists are against gender self ID is not because they are transphobic, it's because of case's like the paedophile man who identified as a woman and was housed at a female only hostel in Fife, same person also stayed at domestic violence refuge for woman and children in Leeds for 71 days sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a Morrisons toilet in Kirkcaldy and filmed a 12-year-old girl in a toilet cubicle in a ASDA in Dunfermline.

The GRA and gender self ID create a loophole that can be exploited by predators like this, in this context it is a woman's safety and child protection issue.

[LewysGot2]

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It's worth remembering that the reason feminists are against gender self ID is not because they are transphobic, it's because of case's like the paedophile man who identified as a woman and was housed at a female only hostel in Fife, same person also stayed at domestic violence refuge for woman and children in Leeds for 71 days sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a Morrisons toilet in Kirkcaldy and filmed a 12-year-old girl in a toilet cubicle in a ASDA in Dunfermline.

The GRA and gender self ID create a loophole that can be exploited by predators like this, in this context it is a woman's safety and child protection issue.

This same person has now assaulted a male inmate in the male estate in prison. They have been moved to the female estate instead.

Someone who is over 6 ft tall, biologically not female, sexually assaulted a wee girl in supermarket toilets, lied to get to stay in a refuge for vulnerable women and children and now moved into the female estate in prison...

Risk assessment anyone?

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...rison-assault/

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It's worth remembering that the reason feminists are against gender self ID is not because they are transphobic, it's because of case's like the paedophile man who identified as a woman and was housed at a female only hostel in Fife, same person also stayed at domestic violence refuge for woman and children in Leeds for 71 days sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in a Morrisons toilet in Kirkcaldy and filmed a 12-year-old girl in a toilet cubicle in a ASDA in Dunfermline.

The GRA and gender self ID create a loophole that can be exploited by predators like this, in this context it is a woman's safety and child protection issue.

Spot on. There are clearly plenty of men on here (not sure if are there any contributions from female posters) who fully appreciate the dangers inherent in this legislation but I think it's fair to say only a woman can really identify with the fear which can come from unwanted male attention eg being followed by some creep and being able to find refuge in a female changing room.

[Onceinawhile]

Green white and purple scarves mean you're a hibs fan no?

[LewysGot2]

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Spot on. There are clearly plenty of men on here (not sure if are there any contributions from female posters) who fully appreciate the dangers inherent in this legislation but I think it's fair to say only a woman can really identify with the fear which can come from unwanted male attention eg being followed by some creep and being able to find refuge in a female changing room.

Not being bothered by something because it doesn't directly impact on your life is pretty much one definition of privilege.

The thing is some folk might not have a daughter to worry about and care about her rights. We all have had a mother.

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Not being bothered by something because it doesn't directly impact on your life is pretty much one definition of privilege.

The thing is some folk might not have a daughter to worry about and care about her rights. We all have had a mother.

Very true.

[LongJohnBanger]

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Green white and purple scarves mean you're a hibs fan no?

Thought it was a belter of a Hibs scarf but a bit steep at 25 quid

[theola36]

useful information

[Keith_M]

I wasn't sure if this belongs on here or the World Cup thread...


‘I feel gay, disabled … like a woman too!’
(Gianni Infantino, Head of FIFA)

https://www.theguardian.com/football...orld-cup-qatar



OK, Gianni, you've definitely gone one step weirder than that Norwegian.

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https://thecritic.co.uk/a-very-seditious-scarf/