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    Doidge hasn't been in good goalscoring form but he has never looked out of his depth IMO, not once. Always a part of every game. We wouldn't be 3rd place with an out of depth striker starting every match. He'll stroll into a good gig if we are stupid enough to let him go.
    I think Doidge has been consistent since he arrived.
    We all expected him to be a freescoring striker and folk were annoyed when he wasn't consistently missing his one on ones with opposition keepers

    So not a one on one goalscorer when he arrived and probably never will be. More a bundle the ball over the line sort of guy.
    However, he is a great facilitator for Boyle and Nisbet, a pain in the arse for the opposition defenders and a good defensive player at opposition set pieces which is all good for the team although not always valued by some supporters when goals are scarce for him.

    Jack Ross has seen the the good and the bad of Doidge and must have decided the good far outweighs the bad because he plays him almost every game.
    It will be interesting to see how season 3 goes for the big guy. Hopefully he remains a consistent team player but can bundle a few more over the line.
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    Doidge annoys me because he could (and should) have about 5 more goals to his tally with some of the situations he gets himself into. But I do think at the end of the day we're a better squad for having him. He reminds me a lot of the time of Grant Holt, he did a lot of nasty work that some strikers or forward players just don't want to do.

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    Doidge annoys me because he could (and should) have about 5 more goals to his tally with some of the situations he gets himself into. But I do think at the end of the day we're a better squad for having him. He reminds me a lot of the time of Grant Holt, he did a lot of nasty work that some strikers or forward players just don't want to do.
    Guess what, if he had scored the 5 more goals you speak of he would be only 1 goal behind his total in league games last season with 5 games still to play.
    Doidge has definitely missed the target this season with chances he should have bundled or headed in.
    A natural goalscorer is more poised. Nisbefs goal against Celtic at Parkhead recently is a good example. A calmness not to snatch at the chance in a packed box before hooking the ball high nto the roof of the net past the Celtic defenders.
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    Turning the thread on it's head.
    At the end of next season only 7 players in the 1st team squad will be under contract .
    They are the saleable assets who may have been sold by then so conceivably this number could be lower than 7
    This 7 excludes Gray and McGregor who should be retired from playing


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    Nisbet
    Porteous
    Doig
    Newell
    Cadden
    Magennis
    Boyle
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    Guess what, if he had scored the 5 more goals you speak of he would be only 1 goal behind his total in league games last season with 5 games still to play.
    Doidge has definitely missed the target this season with chances he should have bundled or headed in.
    A natural goalscorer is more poised. Nisbefs goal against Celtic at Parkhead recently is a good example. A calmness not to snatch at the chance in a packed box before hooking the ball high nto the roof of the net past the Celtic defenders.
    That overall tally from last season is more in line with what we need from him. Ideally without the barren 2/3 months he has had in both seasons so far with us.

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    All ifs and buts with Doidge. If we lose Nisbet, I wouldn’t rely on Doidge to get us goals on a regular basis. Obviously I’d expect us to sign another striker, but I’d hope it would be one who can play up front on his own and not impact our midfield as a result of having to fit in two strikers.

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    Generally every 3 years loads of players at Hibs reach the end of their contracts at the same time.
    This next happens at the end of next season when the contracts of the following 12 first team players end:

    Scott Allan
    Christian Doidge
    Stevie Mallan
    Paul Hanlon
    Lewis Stevenson
    Sean Mackie
    Melker Hallberg
    Drey Wright
    Alex Gogic
    Paul McGinn
    Steven Bradley
    Jamie Murphy

    Which of the players do you think Jack Ross will want to keep?

    I reckon Paul Hanlon will be the best bet with possibly Christian Doidge and as an outside bet Alex Gogic
    Wouldn't lose sleep if none of them were re-signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffers View Post
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    All ifs and buts with Doidge. If we lose Nisbet, I wouldn’t rely on Doidge to get us goals on a regular basis. Obviously I’d expect us to sign another striker, but I’d hope it would be one who can play up front on his own and not impact our midfield as a result of having to fit in two strikers.
    Doidge without Nisbet scored more than Nisbet gets now.

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    Sorry for messed up title.
    Should read : 12 Hibs First Team Players Out of Contract
    You could have also said at end of NEXT season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Hibs View Post
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    Now Doidge is getting it tight 😲

    I would not be getting rid of Doidge.
    There was an episode of "The Peter Crouch" podcast recently that dealt with stats.

    Two metre Peter then stated that these days, a striker does not necessarily need to score as many goals as in previous decades. The analyst and manager will look at the strikers figures for the game and as long as he is contributing positively in other areas of the pitch, the manager will be more than happy

    I think Doidge easily comes into that category

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    No point in speculating on who we keep out of those because we don't know who the manager will be next summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    Doidge without Nisbet scored more than Nisbet gets now.
    Last season yes.

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    A bit early to really know but for me I would be offering new contracts to Paul Hanlon, Alex Gogic and Paul McGinn


    Christian Doidge would have to be considerably better next year for another contract and I haven't seen enough of Bradley to know. I'd love to see Lewis finish his career with us and he doesn't earn much by his own admission so possibly another year if Doig is playing as well and continuing to develop. Sean Mackie has always looked like he could breakthrough but Doig has probably stole his place so I would reluctantly let his contract end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightside View Post
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    I expect Doig to be away either end of this season or next. At his level of performance we wont keep him for much longer.
    I take it your name is an ironic one.

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    Scott Allan - depends entirely on how he is after a pre season. If he can hold down a place in the first team then aye.
    Christian Doidge - renew
    Stevie Mallan - release
    Paul Hanlon - renew without a doubt
    Lewis Stevenson - renew
    Sean Mackie - If he can show a bit more then maybe
    Melker Hallberg- Release
    Drey Wright - Release
    Alex Gogic - Renew
    Paul McGinn - Renew
    Steven Bradley - Renew
    Jamie Murphy - Renew


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    Pretty difficult to say really. Hanlon would be a definite and I’d be surprised if the club aren’t already looking at that.

    Most of them don’t even play regularly for us as it is. Fitness issues, age to consider in some cases as well. I’d be surprised if more than a few of them are here the season after next. Some of them probably won’t even be here next season.

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    Assuming Jack Ross will be here to make the call!!!!

    I hope he is but you can never tell.
    Especially if Clarke leaves Scotland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clarence View Post
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    I take it your name is an ironic one.
    Call me Realistic. Tbh it’s all good if we are productising players that are going on to greater things. That means we are doing great.

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    Generally every 3 years loads of players at Hibs reach the end of their contracts at the same time.
    This next happens at the end of next season when the contracts of the following 12 first team players end:

    Scott Allan
    Christian Doidge
    Stevie Mallan
    Paul Hanlon
    Lewis Stevenson
    Sean Mackie
    Melker Hallberg
    Drey Wright
    Alex Gogic
    Paul McGinn
    Steven Bradley
    Jamie Murphy

    Which of the players do you think Jack Ross will want to keep?

    I reckon Paul Hanlon will be the best bet with possibly Christian Doidge and as an outside bet Alex Gogic
    My picks would be Murphy, Gogic, Allan and Mackie, I wouldn't lose sleep at losing the rest.

    What Jack decides on is anyone's guess, but I have complete confidence in the mans judgement.

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    My picks would be Murphy, Gogic, Allan and Mackie, I wouldn't lose sleep at losing the rest.

    What Jack decides on is anyone's guess, but I have complete confidence in the mans judgement.
    You’d lose Hanlon? Possibly one of his best seasons.

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    Allan, Hanlon and Mackie are the ones I would want to sign new deals.

    I hope Bradley gets opportunities to impress.

    Maybe LS will be at the stage where he wants to play more and move elsewhere? Maybe taking a step down the leagues to do so. He gets a contract if he wants it though.

    Gogic might be worth a new deal.

    The rest, meh. Doidge maybe. Hallberg really needs to show more in games. Murphy is someone I want to see more of before handing out new deals. Wright will be away in the summer. McGinn is good on his day but Cadden is making right back his own and I see him as a more long term option. Cover maybe?

    Mallan will probably stay in Turkey.

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    Now Doidge is getting it tight 😲

    I would not be getting rid of Doidge.
    Respect to Doidge for always giving it 100%. And he must be a bit of a nightmare for some defenders to play against the way he gives as good as he gets. But I would be looking to bring in someone else to play his sort game for whenever we need it. All the attributes of a carthorse - pace, touch, thick skin, long face, odd shaped head (given the direction of some of his headers), often has the blinkers on, but he gets the bit between his teeth and does what he's asked, always pulling his weight. On the plus side for the ladies, he's probably well hung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMurdoch View Post
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    The attraction with Gogic is Ross knows exactly what he is going to get with Gogic and he is easy on the wage budget.
    He was taken out the team a few times but we missed his combative powers and he was put back in.
    Has played more minutes than most of the fancy Dan's around him this season so a lot of bang for our buck.
    He is like a hammer in the toolbox. Better to use the finer precise tools on a job but sometimes you just need to get the hammer out to persuade compliance.
    ‘Persuade compliance’

    Sensational language use. 10/10

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    Gogic and a fit Allan and Murphy for me.

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    ‘Persuade compliance’

    Sensational language use. 10/10
    I try

    Changing tack a little bit.
    I wonder how many of the 12 will move on this summer instead of playing out the final year of their contract.

    Ross is a very pragmatic guy. Nothing nasty but players he doesn't want are gently eased out and replaced with players he does.
    He is patient and gives players a chance to impress, however, if they continually fail he quietly but decisively removes them.

    This season he has shown that he has no intention of playing Gray in league games. Club legend but it's getting silly now after 2 seasons of nothing.
    Horgan was gently eased out and replaced by Murphy.
    Daz was brought in for a couple of league games and did very well but he's back in the stand. 36 in the summer but JR might keep him as cover for one more season if his knees are holding up.

    Drey Wright played a lot at the start, failed to make the grade and was eventually hooked and has been on the bench ever since. Only plea in mitigation for Drey is JR played him on the left flank and he played on the right flank for St Johnstone. Additional problem for him now is the arrival of Chris Cadden.

    Mallan struggled to get back in the team after injury and it appears he isn't in JR's plans. Hibs finances were helped when a Turkish side took on his wage. I think Hibs would be delighted if he stays in Turkey so they can spend his wage on a new player. However, I have a horrible feeling the Turks won't decide to keep Stevie and he will be back at Easter Road.

    I think JR likes Hallberg but not enough to give him a regular spot in the team. 3 caps for Sweden and as a 17 year old was rated 14th best player in their top league. He appears decent but not special when playing for Hibs. Can't see any of this changing. A good squad player. At 25 he might decide he doesn't want another season as a bit player although JR may insist on keeping him given he needs a bigger squad for our additional European game load.

    Stevenson still appears to have no fitness issues. Has finally been superceded at right back this season but has an important role in the development of Doig and Mackie and plays when required.

    Scott Allan, I am undecided what JR thinks of him but he has a lot of ground to make up to win another contract. Very brave to go to Inverness because people including JR will judge his performances there. He then has pre season. Then it's sink or swim time. Hope he is fit and well so he can do his stuff. However, I do fear he is done and will a big wage in the stand but his guts to play at Inverness gives me hope.

    Mackie needs to get fit, stay fit and play. Looks the business to me. Big strong and fast. Next season is big for him.

    Steven Bradley like all young guys before him has a tough task ahead to get in the team and the pressure of the final year of his contract is added pressure.

    Doidge, Hanlon, Gogic and McGinn have played loads this season so are currently in the box seat at to win new contracts but as we all know that can all easily change in the course of the next year.


    Conclusion - Favourite of the 12 to leave a year early this summer
    Must be Drey Wright. Chris Cadden fired the final nail into his coffin so he will leave if he can get a similar contract elsewhere orclose to it and Hibs pay the difference. Somewhere like Dundee Utd might be a good fit.

    2nd favourite
    Stevie Mallan although I suspect he will be on a good contract so it will be difficult for him to find a team to take that on so he may sit tight.

    3rd favourite
    Melker Hallberg if he decides another season of being a squad player is not for him
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    You’d lose Hanlon? Possibly one of his best seasons.
    You think every season is his best . I just think it's time for a clean sweep of defence, as much as I love Stevenson I think him and Hanlon have been there long enough.
    Dare I suggest we could do better?

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    No point in speculating on who we keep out of those because we don't know who the manager will be next summer.
    Do you know something we don't ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    Do you know something we don't ?

    Nah, I just don't see the point in discussing who will be here in over a years time. If Ross is here he may want to keep most of these players and add new ones, but a year in football is a long time and we have no idea what may happen, if Ross does leave a new manager may want his own players in.

    If the thread is about personal opinion re these players, well that's another thing but the OP said which of those 12 do you think Ross will keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crunchie View Post
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    You think every season is his best . I just think it's time for a clean sweep of defence, as much as I love Stevenson I think him and Hanlon have been there long enough.
    Dare I suggest we could do better?
    The defence has had a good season whichever way we look at it and Hanlon has been virtually ever-present. This has probably been as good a season as he’s had.

    A few players are getting on a bit but those players are being naturally eased out. I don’t doubt the same will happen to Hanlon eventually but as things stand he’s one of our most important players. Proactively getting rid of him before he’s shown any signs of decline would be ridiculously harsh.

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    The defence has had a good season whichever way we look at it and Hanlon has been virtually ever-present. This has probably been as good a season as he’s had.

    A few players are getting on a bit but those players are being naturally eased out. I don’t doubt the same will happen to Hanlon eventually but as things stand he’s one of our most important players. Proactively getting rid of him before he’s shown any signs of decline would be ridiculously harsh.
    He's had a few good games, a few bad, and a few average just like most of the seasons he's been with us. He's a solid enough defender but I think it's time for a change. At the end of the day it will be Jack who decides, a year is a long time in football

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