Hibs transfer rumours

[IWasThere2016]

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Just to address the posts that are along the lines of 'We still need to sign 6/12/19/33/17 players' etc.

We know we're 2500 ST's down. Let's say we're on 6000 STs on that basis. Allowing for concessions, let's say we're seeing £275 for each ST paid over a looooooong time.

Hibs are then saying, right Paddy, we've lost money deluxe style but whatever is ST is coming in this year so although we're not actually seeing the money from the punters yet, we'll put up the equivalent.

So there you go Patricia, 6000 x 275 = £1.65m. Don't spend it all at once.

Now lets' say that when you adjust our squad for the likes of McPake and Williams who will be on reasonable money and Stanton/Caldwell who will be on nowt AND us still paying money to Jimmy Scott, let's say that every player is on around £1k a week or £52k a year, averaged out.

Stick on 12.8% N.I. contribution and every player gets paid, on average, approx £58.5k per year.

Now, we've got 24 players listed on the fishy. 24 players x £58.5k = £1.4m (this is all without goal and win bonuses - where's that cash coming from if it's needed?)

So, Fenners, you've bnow got circa £250k left to play with at best.

That leaves room for 2 £2k+ a week players when you add in other expenses.

We've said there will be 2-3 more coming in.

We apparently don't want cheap journeymen.

So how are we funding an extra 5-6-7-8-9 etc signings?

I thought it was clearly established on another thread that the payroll is c£4m and the cost of the squad is more than the STs income.

[BEEJ]

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Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!

Just how many former members of our coaching staff are we still paying, or have we been paying months after their departure from ER?

Yogi was in the same boat, as I recall?

[Tyler Durden]

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He is good going forward but I'm not sure about his defensive qualities in midfield and especially at the the back. This season is his last chance at Hibs or he will fall down the leagues. Successive managers have not picked him as a regular. I hope he can kick on and learn his trade and serve Hibs well but have my doubts

Calderwood did pick Booth regularly, he was our best player from Jan-May 2011.

Booth is one of the few players we have who's shown he can dribble, pass, cross and score goals. The managers job is to get the best of his resources, not just sign players for every role. If we can't make a player out of Booth, Hibs may as well pack in.

[Eyrie]

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I thought it was clearly established on another thread that the payroll is c£4m and the cost of the squad is more than the STs income.

Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

[Tyler Durden]

And also that the £4m was at our last financial year. We've since lost about 15 players.

[Mark79]

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Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

Thats just Tam McCourts salary.

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Calderwood did pick Booth regularly, he was our best player from Jan-May 2011.

Booth is one of the few players we have who's shown he can dribble, pass, cross and score goals. The managers job is to get the best of his resources, not just sign players for every role. If we can't make a player out of Booth, Hibs may as well pack in.

Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....

[scoopyboy]

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Just how many former members of our coaching staff are we still paying, or have we been paying months after their departure from ER?

Yogi was in the same boat, as I recall?

Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.

[BoltonHibee]

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Good news for us Evans got Livi job, we were still paying him!!!!!

I think we might go for Kerr, until he signs a deal with someone else he is still gettable.

How is that good news for us SB?

I guess you are saying that we don't have to pay him any more, but is that actually the case in this instance?

[scoopyboy]

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How is that good news for us SB?

I guess you are saying that we don't have to pay him any more, but is that actually the case in this instance?

Correct my friend.

[SMAXXA]

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Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier on today. I wonder if Rod has a sneaky wee inside heads up that there will be no relegation (League restructure next season and the return of the huns possibly, who knows with the fools running our game) this season and we will not be signing anyone notable and just going with what we have with a few cheap freeby options. Also would make sense why we are selling Ozzy to get some much needed income as im sure he would have been on a decent wage comming from Villa.

Hope im wrong though as would be a right p*sh season if this is the case. Other teams probs wont be signing players either but at least most of thenm have a relitvley decent squad, we dont.

Can see it now Rods got his speach written out, the demise of Rangers prevented us from signing players

[BEEJ]

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Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.

Well I guess it's an alternative to handing them a lump-sum in compensation. But they do seem to stay on the payroll for some considerable time.

If the rumours are true there would have been a point late in 2011 when the following former employees would have all still been on the payroll - John Hughes, Colin Calderwood, Gareth Evans and Alistair Stevenson.

Do you know if the plan is to keep AS on the club payroll until he gets another job; or have they put an end date on the arrangement?

[Iggy Pope]

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Alistair Stevenson is the only one now I believe.

Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

[IWasThere2016]

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Bear in mind that the £4m shown in the accounts is for all employees and so includes youths, coaching staff, grounds, admin, directors, shop, hospitality etc as well as the first team squad.

I'm very aware of that, thanks. But there is no way the playing staff are just 40% of the payroll.

[Hibby 2005]

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Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

Conspiracy theories ha, ha, ha!

[SouthMoroccoStu]

With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

[jodjam]

Just curious as not read much last couple of days but is the 250k you mention true? I would have guessed somewhere in the 75-100k region.

[easty]

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With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

You're in dreamland mate.

[Sumner]

Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.

[PeterboroHibee]

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With a reported £250k coming in for the sale of Osbourne, would this be enough to secure the signings and services of Sandaza, Griffiths and Shiels?

I genuinely believe it would be.

Add this to the signing of Maybury And Another midfielder and we ll be ready of the start of the season. This can also be the season to put some faith in the youth. A mixture a budget and reward I hope.

I see the transfer fee as for Osbourne as bonus money so should be PF to spend.

These 3 signings would restore some faith from the walk up suppoters.

You have us signing 5 players a few days after Fenlon came out saying that a strikers priority, and hes unsure whether he will even be able to sign Maybury? He also said that the money from Osbourne will hopefully let him bring in another player. I like what you have suggested but we, along with everyone else in the SPL, just cant manage that sort of thing anymore.

[SouthMoroccoStu]

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Just curious as not read much last couple of days but is the 250k you mention true? I would have guessed somewhere in the 75-100k region.

Sky Sports believes.....

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This is where I'm coming from. The fee is much higher than I would have thought.

More money, more players.

[easty]

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Sky Sports believes.....

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This is where I'm coming from. The fee is much higher than I would have thought.

More money, more players.

Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

[matty_f]

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Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.

Rod voted against Sevco, and Scott Lindsay deals with the transfers, but apart from that your post is spot on.

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Sadly this is as real world as Disneyland..
Rod won't be writing cheques now his plan
to let the Govan Stealers in Div.1 has folded
faster than Superman on laundry day.

I really don't think so.

Unlike a lot of the fans who were calling for Sevco to be put into Div Three (I was one of them, btw) RP had done the sums and knew what the cost to Hib and the rest of the SPL was likely to be. But as far as I'm aware, he voted for Sevco to be barred from the SPL which, since he hasn't a vote in any meeting of SFL chairmen, was as much as he could do.

[Peevemor]

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Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

He's a first team regular that will have to be replaced if/when he's sold. Blackpool obviously rate him so, within reason, Hibs hold all the cards.

[DC_Hibs]

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Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

They've got as much of a clue about the fee as you and me - none. It's a total guess and does Hibs no favours as it will be adopted as gospel by many (like Riordans 20k a week wage in China) and we've now got someone that reckons we should sign shiels, sandaza and griffiths!!!

Holy **** indeed.

[J-C]

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Holy ****...

Why would anyone give us a quarter of a million for him, especially when he's free in 12 months. I would have expected a bid of less than £100k to have got him no problem!

Probably because he'll thrive in English footie, compared to the 100mph football we have here, more time on the ball = better football played.

[Hibee87]

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Callum had problems with injuries last season but according to PF is back fit and training hard. It may be that Pat sees him as an option for the midfield rather than LB - he wouldn't be the first to start off in defence and move forward into midfield. We're looking for someone to run at the opposition - I could see him doing just that thing rather effectively.

Alan Maybury can play in a number of defensive positions and is IMO a proven seasoned pro, if a tad long in the tooth - he WOULD give us cover in defence, though. The thing about his training full-time with the squad is that it's given Pat the opportunity to assess his fitness as a full-time member of the squad rather than just running the eye over him in a couple of bounce games where he might look OK but be struggling to following day.

One thing which occurred to me - we're now talking about a League re-org. Maybe we won't have to worry about relegation at all next May ....

Not being funny but i must be the only one who cant see what booth has thats so amazing? Dont get me worng i like seeing our youth players come thorough the ranks and excel in the team but booth to me has never done any of the things I keep hearing. - except for one goal, a brilliant goal at that, but nothing else.
He cant tackle and doesnt have a great positional sense to play left back.
Left midfield people keep telling me he would be better at but I have yet to see him beat a man or even have a qucik turn of pace youd expect form a winger. The only thing ive ever seen him do is run at a player then cut inside onto his right foot where he then has to pass to one of the CM's. His pace looks nothing out of the ordinary, infact sometimes he seems to run on treacle

I hope im wrong and am not seeing what everyone else is but for me I dont see anything in there, and I know he was fit for good parts of last season under Fenlon and failed to make the bench so I dont think im alone in this view.

[Part/Time Supporter]

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Probably because he'll thrive in English footie, compared to the 100mph football we have here, more time on the ball = better football played.

That will be why he hardly ever got a game for Villa and bumped around a few lower division teams on loan?

[scoopyboy]

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Questions like this are raised regularly at each AGM with stupefyingly vague response from the board.

Given your obvious knowledge of the goings on at East Mains have you ever been tempted to stand and challenge 'good news' like this at such gatherings, rather than keep it for this somewhat secluded forum?

Although I am a shareholder I haven't attended an AGM for many years.

I never changed my address when I moved house in 2002 so I don't get Annual report and bumff that goes with it.

I must do so actually and start going back to AGMs.

Not sure if I would stand up and challenge them on it as they don't like people challenging them with info they are not meant to have.

Would depend on how I felt on the night.