He did improve end of last season and beginning of this. He was being much more direct and making good choices on when to play others in.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He’s suffered from being asked to play narrower and deeper for most of the season. He hasn’t got back into the rhythm he was in. He has it in him though if coached and used effectively.
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15-04-2024 08:28 AM #91
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15-04-2024 09:38 AM #92
His comments last night are laughable IMO. He's not been booed...... he's had some abuse when he's not performed on the park. Whether that is merited or not is a matter of opinion but it's part of football. He'll get that in any league in the world.
He's not been good enough far too often and he gives the impression that he either doesn't care that much or doesn't really understand what success is for Hibs. For example posting his little highlights reel after we were beaten 3-0 by Hearts twice in a month. I wouldn't blame him alone for this sort of thing, again it comes back to a lack of standards at the club and a lack of leadership in the playing staff.
Personally I'd be happy to see him go in the summer. We can do much better.
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15-04-2024 09:41 AM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
And yes he does get a harder time than say Martin boyle. Or Vente. Players that are probably on more than him per week.
Do folk think that booing a footballer for making a wrong decision on the park is productive? Cos it absolutely isn’t. Same as the folk that think it’s helpful to make comments directly on social media. There’s no need for it.
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15-04-2024 09:52 AM #94This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He gets a tougher time than other players because he doesn't do the basics well enough. People grew tired of him continually giving the ball away. He's not getting booed on or off the pitch though is he? He'll get shouted at when he messes up - it's probably unfair but it's football.
The social media stuff is a disgrace but again it's not exclusive to Hibs.
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15-04-2024 09:57 AM #95
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Youan gets far too much criticism. At least he tries things and makes things happen around him.
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15-04-2024 09:58 AM #96
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15-04-2024 09:59 AM #97
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Twice in injury time alone at Fir Park he shat it.
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15-04-2024 10:02 AM #98
Some are going to end up driving a good player out of the club who won't be easily replaced . 10 goals and 11 assists for a winger is a very good return .
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15-04-2024 10:07 AM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
500k is also absolutely nothing in football, just because it’s alot for us doesn’t mean the player you sign is incredible. People need to lower their standards for what a player worth that looks like.
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15-04-2024 10:15 AM #100This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Plenty either issues with the team and management.
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15-04-2024 10:17 AM #101This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As we saw in the 2nd half of last season and the start of this, when he's feeling good and gets a bit of form going he's a 7 figure player. When he's off it, it shows. The manager is key for this but the fans play their part - giving him stick is counter productive.
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15-04-2024 10:17 AM #102
Im a big fan of his, and theres some terrible takes on here.
https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/23/watch--every-elie-youan-goal---assist-this-season-/
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15-04-2024 10:27 AM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Youan making a point about how much he's been criticised.... He was accepting an award for moment of the season for a draw against Hearts for goodness sake! A draw. And that's the highlight of a season that he's played a big part in. A total failure.
He should have been taking the opportunity to apologise to the fans
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15-04-2024 10:33 AM #104
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Youan is never going to be one for crunching into a tackle and it is a bit harsh to judge him on that albeit the leg dangling can be frustrating. The hardest thing to do is beat a player and create something. He has the skill, trickery and pace needed. This does need aligned with confidence and self belief which I feel gets eroded by the constant heckling he receives. IMO we need to do more of what it says on the tin and support players through thick and thin. Some act more like judge, jury and executioner. We need our flair players to be able to try stuff that might not come off without being lambasted for it from the stands. I do believe we as fans have a role to play otherwise what is the point in going along.
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15-04-2024 10:42 AM #105This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 10:57 AM #106
He's a player I'd maybe be tempted to carry if the rest of the team was in proper working order.
Youan is never going to be a player who makes a significant contribution to a team who finishes third. He ducks physical challenges, prioritises getting moments for his instagram reel over actually playing football, neglects defensive duties and is ridiculously hot and cold.
Yes, when he's on it and the opportunity presents itself he can make a contribution. But how much cold do you have to sit through between those meaningful contributions?
I lost patience with him a while back and if he was 19, I'd maybe be an advocate for sending him out on loan to learn how to play football. He's not a kid though and I don't see how he's suddenly going to learn to make decisions he appears to be incapable of making? LJ was slaughtered for his "football IQ" comments but Youan is the living embodiment of the point he was (correctly) trying to make.
As long as we have players like Youan in our side, imo we're going to be talking about sacking managers as he is going to repeatedly let them down.
Abuse is bang out of order but it's natural to get exasperated watching him play football (so the odd moan or groan I think is acceptable and inevitable) and I think it is fair to discuss constructively whether or not he should have a team built around him.
He rests in that grey area of our team where he has undoubted qualities who some will see and want to persevere with but flaws others find it difficult to tolerate. It'll be interesting to see what managers make of him going forward, including Monty if he stays - who if he does stay, will surely be aware that Youan's decision making in the Motherwell box was close to going a long way to costing him his job.
Everything from the social media stuff to the comments at the do last night scream "ego" - something, again, you might tolerate but his end product would need to double before you think seriously about it.Last edited by Smartie; 15-04-2024 at 11:00 AM.
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15-04-2024 11:01 AM #107This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There absolutely is something wrong with posting your personal "highlights" from a game you lost 3-0 against your biggest rivals. Any player doing that is wrong.
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15-04-2024 11:37 AM #108This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 11:40 AM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
His comments last night are the same IMO.
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15-04-2024 11:42 AM #110This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My issue with his social media business is that I think he occasionally fabricates on field situations to allow him to achieve his highlights, sometimes when a professional 5 yard side foot pass is the correct option - which I find almost unforgivable.
Whilst I do think there are situations where players need to "read the room" a bit about post game antics, I have had it from pretty good authority (former Hibs players) that it's actually best for you to get the bad results out of your system asap, and that there's something actually quite cathartic and rehabilitative about getting out after a sore loss. Maybe the same is true for Youan trawling highlights for positive ways in which he impacted a game?
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15-04-2024 11:48 AM #111This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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15-04-2024 11:49 AM #112
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15-04-2024 11:51 AM #113
It's their own private social media. They can post what they want and shouldn’t receive abuse from childish fans in a huff about Hibs.
Embarrassing abusing a player online. Wouldn't say **** all to the players faces most of them and no doubt be asking for selfies to post on their own social media.
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15-04-2024 11:52 AM #114
I get frustrated with Elie at times like everyone else but he is not the problem for me. He is an attacker and at times we have blamed him for costing goals in closing stages of games. Has he been at fault? At times, yes, however I would be looking at a manager that constantly puts him into a position where we are relying on him to defend (which he cannot do). If we are trying to see games out we should be taking him off before the end to solidify the defence or keeping him up the field and away from the defence where we can use his pace as an out ball. We have lost so many goals this season because our fullbacks have been badly exposed through Elie, Jair, Boyle, etc not tracking back. That to me is down to the formation and the way they are coached to play. That responsibility falls to the manager.
On last nights awards, I wasn't there but is it possible that he meant thanks for not booing him on the back of team performances and it has been lost in translation given English is not his first language? Be interested to hear the thoughts of those that were there.
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15-04-2024 11:56 AM #115This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Worth noting that when we were putting our teams together pre- Motherwell game I still had him starting ahead of Boyle.
I'm just finding it harder and harder to accept his rough edges, and I previously thought that regular football would help smooth them - I've lost that faith, really.
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17-04-2024 05:48 PM #119
I like Elie has had a good season. Should not have been dropped for Boyle recently
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17-04-2024 06:01 PM #120
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For the record Boyle also shirks challenges regularly.
We’ll struggle to replace his numbers unless we spend a fair bit.
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