Aberdeen statement Var farce

[GreenCastle]

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This bit jumps out and sums up where we are perfectly.

Basically saying we have the cheapest most crap version and no wonder why we are getting so many mistakes - alongside part time crap refs and it’s making the game a shambles.

[Musselbound]

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I mean, it looks pretty clear cut: https://www.skysports.com/football/n...ys-scottish-fa

Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.

[Saint Hibee]

Even when VAR works as it's meant to (which is rarely), it sucks all the immediacy and excitement out of football. You think we've scored and then have to wait a few minutes to find out for sure. I hate it.

[Hibernian Verse]

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Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.

I think the point is that this image wasn't available at the time, the SFA are using it now to say they got it right.

[Onion]

VAR in Scotland should have been strangled at birth. The clubs themselves should have stood spoken out when the system was proposed, at its an abomination - allowing officials to basically make stuff up to achieve a certain outcome and use the so called VAR scrutiny and evidence to back it up. Now we hear thru Aberdeen’s efforts that VAR are indeed just guessing and choosing their own outcome without any basis I or evidence. This leaves officials open to accusations of corruption and indeed outside influences. From a fans perspective it is sucking the life out of the game.

[McD]

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Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.

There’s a Livingston player that’s obscured by the Aberdeen 19 in that image, who is deeper than the livi player who the VAR line has been drawn against, so the image isn’t telling us anything about whether the decision was correct or not

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_...g0Z2FucHpqdg==

[snedzuk]

Posted after RC away:-

And/or the standard of the system. I noticed the first VAR camera I'd been close to at the back of the stand at Ross County which got me thinking about the awful angles and the funky lines used in offside decisions (see Martin Boyle v Aberdeen).

It turns out 'VAR lite' (Scotland) operates with six to eight cameras (it is possible - somehow - to have compliant VAR with four cameras). To put that into context, the following quote is from 'inside FIFA' talking about the world cup.

"The video assistant referee team has access to 21 cameras in the Group Stage, Round of 16 and Match 63, of which one is super slow motion and one is ultra slow motion. For the Quarter Finals the VAR team has access to 22 cameras, of which one is super slow motion and three are ultra slow motion and for the Semi-Finals & the Final, they have access to 25 cameras, of which three are super slow motion and three are ultra slow motion."

Clubs voted for this and how to pay for it and the question that also arises is how they continue paying for it. Apparently you pay more depending on league position. Itd be interesting to know the terms of this deal and how the camera providers are tied into it. If youre a cash strapped Livingston, almost guaranteed to get relegated, the temptation to find bills you dont pay must be pretty large, plus youre probably passing on the system to AN other promoted team leading me to think the system must be rented. With clubs like Livvy and Ross County probably pretty near the breadline, it might not take much in costs changing to rethink the whole thing.

That aside, I also found this which is really interesting.

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/...ol/#principles

[snedzuk]

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We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_...g0Z2FucHpqdg==

Words fail me.

[lyonhibs]

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We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_...g0Z2FucHpqdg==

So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

[cabbageandribs1875]

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So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

it's there

[jeffers]

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So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

It was the Jambo on a radio phone in asking why Niemi wasn’t getting picked for Scotland, saying “he’s not finished he’s only 28.”

[overdrive]

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So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

West Brom take a shot from range. Rotherham player standing in the dee handles it. Penalty given, even though the player is in the same spot he handled it when the referee walks past pointing to the spot.

The video is still there though, so not sure why you can't see it unless it is location restricted

[wookie70]

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There’s a Livingston player that’s obscured by the Aberdeen 19 in that image, who is deeper than the livi player who the VAR line has been drawn against, so the image isn’t telling us anything about whether the decision was correct or not

They may get relegated but Livi are hide and seek champions. That image alone is a good reason to question VAR officials. If they can't even determine the deepest defender from a stills image they really need to get rid of teh whole system or at least bring in officials who have some vision

[wookie70]

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Words fail me.

Surely that must be a ref not understanding the rules and thinking the D is inside the box. Not as bad a decision as the Jordan Forster offside at Tiny but it is up there

[Is It On....]

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It was the Jambo on a radio phone in asking why Niemi wasn’t getting picked for Scotland, saying “he’s not finished he’s only 28.”

Talksport classic 👍

[gbhibby]

VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.

[erin go bragh]

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VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.

Rangers been awarded 9 penalties after going to var
We must have the most shafted by var statistics in the league as can only think of a handful of decisions in our favour.

[JimBHibees]

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VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.

Yes think Gallagher is a bit of a clown to be honest. Assuming the Scottish show with Stuart Dougal has been binned.

[FastEddieFelson]

it seems to be widely assumed that VAR is here to stay in Scotland and will never leave. why is this, exactly? surely if there's enough clubs and fans of clubs that express their dissatisfaction with the whole setup, there's a chance things might change?

[where'stheslope]

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it seems to be widely assumed that VAR is here to stay in Scotland and will never leave. why is this, exactly? surely if there's enough clubs and fans of clubs that express their dissatisfaction with the whole setup, there's a chance things might change?

I think it would affect our ability to play in Europe where VAR is used.
So the Uglies are unlikely to vote for its removal, they will moan about it, but they know it seems to almost always err in their favour????

[LunasBoots]

In other leagues they have 4 or 5 angles, in Scotland we don't, it's amateur and that's the problem. VAR has ruined Scots Football know quite a few folk gone totally off the game now.

[Ringothedog]

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I think it would affect our ability to play in Europe where VAR is used.
So the Uglies are unlikely to vote for its removal, they will moan about it, but they know it seems to almost always err in their favour????

Sweden doesn’t use var and it doesn’t impact their European entries

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

[A Hi-Bee]

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I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

Would not stop with the var ref's, but bring in foreign refs for most top flight Scottish games, then see what the stats with the huns and the smelic turn out like. Good on the Turks (can I still call then this without the thought police intervening?)

[JohnM1875]

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I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

With our pompous arrogant referees? You'd just see more of them sticking with the on field decision if asked to come over to the monitor.

[hibsbollah]

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VAR is a travesty of implementing the laws of the game and it's making watching football less enjoyable. Like Mrs Doyle's tea-making machine, if someone put a spanner in it I'd be very happy. Give me a normal cup of tea, with all its flaws, any day.

This is a perfect post, both in intent and use of analogy. Well done sir.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I know we have a few Boxing fans in the house…

what do folks make of this…
AI used to score points for boxing.

Imagine the rules applied without bias, refs or incompetent VAR officials.
it’s the system - computer says yes or no.

what say ye all?

https://youtu.be/3kQhwu5AMu8?si=nn5Rsykzx5ip4kfx

[Northernhibee]

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I know we have a few Boxing fans in the house…

what do folks make of this…
AI used to score points for boxing.

Imagine the rules applied without bias, refs or incompetent VAR officials.
it’s the system - computer says yes or no.

what say ye all?

https://youtu.be/3kQhwu5AMu8?si=nn5Rsykzx5ip4kfx

No. I said it before VAR was implemented - football being down to split second decisions in the moment was the best we had. No goals being checked to see if a toenail was offside, just the jubilation of that in a moment. Bad decision? Go into the pub after and complain about how you think the ref was biased, rather than have VAR confirm that the whole system is fundamentally wrong.

VAR fixes mistakes, it exacerbates bias. We tried to fix the wrong problem.

[HarpOnHibee]

It's not a failure of the technology itself. It's the failure of the clowns to use it properly, which is entirely intentional in my opinion. They don't want their cheating to be repeatedly highlighted, so getting it ditched allows them to go back to their old methods of cheating where we all have a wee whinge and a moan about it, but ultimately nothing is done about it. They'll favour The Rangers with VAR, they'll favour The Rangers without VAR. Only difference is they can say they no longer have VAR available to review their decisions, allowing them to go back to gaslighting people with the "honest mistake" crap.