VAR again

[Keith_M]

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It's ruining Scottish football - time to say goodbye.

[Hibee Mac]

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It's ruining Scottish football - time to say goodbye.

I absolutely can't stand the way VAR has changed the game. That being said, I still think there is a place for it going forward but only if both the offside and handball rules are changed.

Handball is easier to fix, as Stuart Lovell said today maybe we need to bring back the "intentional" definition to the rule.

Offside is harder, but it needs to be significantly changed if we are to keep VAR.

What we have now simply does not work for fans.

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[ChuckNor]

The other we should be calling out was VAR desperately searching for a penalty when disallowing Curtis Main’s offside goal.

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That being said, I still think there is a place for it going forward but only if both the offside and handball rules are changed.

Offside is harder, but it needs to be significantly changed if we are to keep VAR.

What if we just binned the offside rule altogether?

[Hibbyradge]

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What if we just binned the offside rule altogether?

That would definitely ruin football.

[Sioux]

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I absolutely can't stand the way VAR has changed the game. That being said, I still think there is a place for it going forward but only if both the offside and handball rules are changed.

Handball is easier to fix, as Stuart Lovell said today maybe we need to bring back the "intentional" definition to the rule.

Offside is harder, but it needs to be significantly changed if we are to keep VAR.

What we have now simply does not work for fans.

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What change would that be?

[big gogs]

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Really feel for Vente.

I’ve gave him a bit of stick but great movement and finish.

2 in a game would have been a huge boost for him.

The vente goal should have stood,I had 3-1 hibs win in the work sweep,still 3 points and a win .not a bad day .

[ruthven_raiders]

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What change would that be?

The upcoming experiment for offside where the whole body has to be clear of defender, will hopefully stop this current nonsense

[ekhibee]

For me if you've got poor quality referees in your league you're going to get poor VAR decisions. Unlike a lot of others I wouldn't have a problem with VAR if we had decent referees making unbiased decisions, but we don't.

[Pretty Boy]

It's utter *****.

I'd go back to a game with no VAR and contentious decisions over a game with VAR and contentious decisions anyday.

[Springbank]

Incredibly I'm going to defend John Beaton here (while heavily criticising var)

Honestly, if the lines were so close & so controversial (when the on field decision was goal) the var steer to today's ref (whoever it may have been) should have been "mate this is tight, do you want to look on the screen before making a call?"

[Mike Berry]

It is a ridiculous decision, but happens every week around the country.

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[Norrieg]

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That would definitely ruin football.

Why would it ruin footbal ????. I agree with the poster. It would open the game up. It's a stupid rule and it would stop defenders being lazy *******s and using it to their advantage and maybe make them play a bit more. Plus more goals would be scored. Is that not the ultimate aim in a game of footbal. Goals, Goals Goals.!!!!!!!
What the **** do I know

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[Northernhibee]

How on earth was Rangers fourth goal not given as handball? Comes off his arm and sets up the goal on a plate.

[Smartie]

Is there scope to use fatter lines, bring back the concept of being “level” (even if someone is offside or onside by a matter of centimetres) and adapt accordingly?

These Scottish decisions just feel so tin pot.

FWIW - that’s a very close call, a tough one for officials so I have a degree of sympathy for them here, whatever they decide. It’s not like last week’s, which was a disgrace.

[Scottie]

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How on earth was Rangers fourth goal not given as handball? Comes off his arm and sets up the goal on a plate.

Because it’s the Huns. Boy was playing volleyball with it

[MWHIBBIES]

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How on earth was Rangers fourth goal not given as handball? Comes off his arm and sets up the goal on a plate.

Thing about that is it's not a subjective decision. If it hits a hand of an attacking player before a goal, it's disallowed. No matter the intent or circumstances.

[Stanton Spence]

A perfect example of what used to be deemed level and on side. VAR had took level out of the game

[Hibee Mac]

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What change would that be?

Good question, hard to say exactly how to fix offside, don't want to repeat myself too much but I posted earlier in the thread about the margin for error and how it should be accounted for with thicker lines calculated based on what the specific margin for error is.

That way if the lines are touching then it's onside, end of story. You would still get calls where there is a tiny gap in between lines called offside but it would be far more acceptable to most when you'd be able to see with your own eyes the attacker is past the defender.

Not sure if it's a proper fix because the more I think about it how are the linesman in real time meant to referee it without var.... maybe not a foolproof solution after all ....

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[Victor]

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The other we should be calling out was VAR desperately searching for a penalty when disallowing Curtis Main’s offside goal.

Agree. Kevin Harper (on Hibs TV) was unhappy with that also. As he said, they were meant to be looking at offside and then just go and check if they can find something else to hit us with. Total nonsense.


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[Kato]

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Why would it ruin footbal ????. I agree with the poster. It would open the game up. It's a stupid rule and it would stop defenders being lazy *******s and using it to their advantage and maybe make them play a bit more. Plus more goals would be scored. Is that not the ultimate aim in a game of footbal. Goals, Goals Goals.!!!!!!!
What the **** do I know

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It would open the game up so much that strikers would just hang around in the opposition box so defenders would have to hang around their own box. No more clever midfield play, no precise slide-rule passes with strikers running behind into space, no need for wingers taking on fullbacks as getting in behind wouldn't be necessary, a stretched out game of longbangers with players jostling around trying to win second balls. A bit like Rangers 1973/Alex MacDonalds jambos.

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[lyonhibs]

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It's utter *****.

I'd go back to a game with no VAR and contentious decisions over a game with VAR and contentious decisions anyday.

This was always the case. At least in the old days you could say "OK, they don't have the benefit of replays".

Despise it. Goal line technology and intervening in cases of missed serious foul play off the ball only.

[Paul1642]

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That would definitely ruin football.

Correct. Arsene Wenger’s proposition on the other hand is exactly what the game needs IMO.

[Jones28]

Lines touching must mean level. The game is dying.

[Donegal Hibby]

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It's ruining Scottish football - time to say goodbye.

Far to many games we are discussing VAR decisions instead of the football . It's been a disaster from day 1 and hasn't improved , if anything I think it's gotten worse .

[s.a.m]

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This was always the case. At least in the old days you could say "OK, they don't have the benefit of replays".

Despise it. Goal line technology and intervening in cases of missed serious foul play off the ball only.

[Libby Hibby]

It’s quite simple really.

Any Hibs goal, needs to reviewed over and over to check if the minutest infringement has occurred to rule it out.

Any venture into the Hibs box by any opposition needs to reviewed over and over to check if the minutest infringement has occurred to award the opposition any positive decision for them.

It’s that blatant.

[Hibbyradge]

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Why would it ruin footbal ????. I agree with the poster. It would open the game up. It's a stupid rule and it would stop defenders being lazy *******s and using it to their advantage and maybe make them play a bit more. Plus more goals would be scored. Is that not the ultimate aim in a game of footbal. Goals, Goals Goals.!!!!!!!
What the **** do I know

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If there was no offside, teams would just have big strapping goal hangers standing in the 18 yard box, or the 6 yard box and the ball would be hoofed up towards them.

The midfield would be bypassed and actual skill would disappear.

[Hibbyradge]

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Agree. Kevin Harper (on Hibs TV) was unhappy with that also. As he said, they were meant to be looking at offside and then just go and check if they can find something else to hit us with. Total nonsense.


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It was Stuart Lovell.

[Hibbyradge]

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It would open the game up so much that strikers would just hang around in the opposition box so defenders would have to hang around their own box. No more clever midfield play, no precise slide-rule passes with strikers running behind into space, no need for wingers taking on fullbacks as getting in behind wouldn't be necessary, a stretched out game of longbangers with players jostling around trying to win second balls. A bit like Rangers 1973/Alex MacDonalds jambos.

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I should have read the thread before replying much the same.