VAR again

[ChuckNor]

Regardless of that win, we should be going to the SFA again over that offside call from VAR. The blue line drawn does not land where they have put it. Scandalous decision once again.

[Carheenlea]

They’ve had their fun with it. Now can we please just get our game back.

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Really feel for Vente.

I’ve gave him a bit of stick but great movement and finish.

2 in a game would have been a huge boost for him.

[ChuckNor]

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Really feel for Vente.

I’ve gave him a bit of stick but great movement and finish.

2 in a game would have been a huge boost for him.

Robbed. That goal was perfectly legitimate. Farcical from VAR. It is always us that get the **** calls.

[Hibbyradge]

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Regardless of that win, we should be going to the SFA again over that offside call from VAR. The blue line drawn does not land where they have put it. Scandalous decision once again.

Isn't it computer generated?

There's no chance the officials just put a line there so they could rule out a Hibs goal.

[weecounty hibby]

Not seen it but FFS Beaton on the park + VAR. What a combination. Beaton was a complete joke from start to finish. The linesmen were awful as well.

[Carheenlea]

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Really feel for Vente.

I’ve gave him a bit of stick but great movement and finish.

2 in a game would have been a huge boost for him.

The whole dynamic of the game shifted on that dodgy call. You go from 2 up and playing well and a striker getting his mojo back to effectively giving the opposition a goal that keeps them in the game and they get a lift from that and ultimately go on and get an equaliser.

Thankfully we showed a lot of spirit and thanks to some top drawer play from Maolida we do go on to earn a well deserved win.

VAR is having far too much influence in how games are playing out. It’s having much more influence than simply being a digital pair of eyes for the referee.

They’ve tried it, it’s not working how they thought it might - just do the right thing and abandon the project.

[ChuckNor]

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Isn't it computer generated?

There's no chance the officials just put a line there so they could rule out a Hibs goal.

No the officials in the room draw the lines. That’s why it takes so long.

[Carheenlea]

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No the officials in the room draw the lines. That’s why it takes so long.

It’s not football as we know it. Basically a game of FIFA on the XBox.

[Hibbyradge]

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No the officials in the room draw the lines. That’s why it takes so long.

They use technology.

"Using the virtual offside technology, the VAR will place a line on the second last defender and the attacking player who potentially committed the offside offence."

[B.H.F.C]

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They use technology.

"Using the virtual offside technology, the VAR will place a line on the second last defender and the attacking player who potentially committed the offside offence."

They still need to place the line though.

[Kato]

At least its not a curved one this time.

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[Dashing Bob S]

I don't like VAR. But it's reminded how much I really detest Scottish referees and their biased, incompetent ways.

[CapitalGreen]

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They use technology.

"Using the virtual offside technology, the VAR will place a line on the second last defender and the attacking player who potentially committed the offside offence."

The VAR is a person not a computer.

[Kato]

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I don't like VAR. But it's reminded how much I really detest Scottish referees and their biased, incompetent ways.

You needed a reminder?

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[ChilliEater]

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They still need to place the line though.

And when to pause the video - until we have cameras working at around 1000 frames per second in ultra-mega-super high resolution we can't be sure the pause happens as the pass is played - and is the pass played when the players foot first contacts the ball or when the ball leaves his foot? If we're going with the idea that offside is an absolute yes or no decision, then we have to have the required level of technology, and clarification of the law, to correctly rule on it. Under the pre-VAR version of the rule, Vente is inline and, therefore, onside.

[Hibbyradge]

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The VAR is a person not a computer.

I know. But they use technology to determine and draw the lines.

[HibbyAndy]

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And when to pause the video - until we have cameras working at around 1000 frames per second in ultra-mega-super high resolution we can't be sure the pause happens as the pass is played - and is the pass played when the players foot first contacts the ball or when the ball leaves his foot? If we're going with the idea that offside is an absolute yes or no decision, then we have to have the required level of technology, and clarification of the law, to correctly rule on it. Under the pre-VAR version of the rule, Vente is inline and, therefore, onside.

Spot on

[Hibee Mac]

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They use technology.

"Using the virtual offside technology, the VAR will place a line on the second last defender and the attacking player who potentially committed the offside offence."

It's drawn by a person using a mouse on a computer. They choose which point is the furthest forward on the player and use a mouse to click it, then the computer estimates the relative position on the pitch and draws the line(also estimated using a handful of long range cameras in the ground.)

So still a human element, and a good amount of margin for error. If the person in the studio clicks on the wrong body part or the wrong place on the screen then it could cause a relatively large error.

Ive said since the beginning the margin for error should be accounted for by adding a thickness to the line drawn. It's very easy to statistically calculate what the error is and convert that into a line thickness. Then if the lines overlap in any way the goal should be given as it's too close to definitively say.



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[where'stheslope]

What would life be like without VAR, just look at last nights game Partick V Dumfermline.
Partick score, linesman happily running back to halfway line, ref gives the goal then Dumfermline players surround the ref, he goes over to the linesman and has a chat?
Verdict offside? On viewing it on TV, there was a defection, but it was a Dunfermline player so goal should have stood?
If VAR was present it would have stood, but, players crowding the ref sways his decision?
It just comes down to poor officials, nothing else!!!

[He's here!]

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Isn't it computer generated?

There's no chance the officials just put a line there so they could rule out a Hibs goal.

I used to assume it was computer generated so as to eliminate human error but it's not. I fail to see the point of it as it's as susceptible to controversy as what we had before.

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Doesn't it need to be a part of the body you can score with to be deemed offside?

[andrew_dundee]

The thing that would improve VAR would be where tech allows (like at Easter Road), fans should be able to see on the screens what the ref is seeing.

I've not seen it yet but in the stadium you are left having to trust that the refs know what they're doing.

[Hibbyradge]

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Doesn't it need to be a part of the body you can score with to be deemed offside?

You can score with your shoulder. That's where the red line starts.

[Kato]

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You can score with your shoulder. That's where the red line starts.

As someone else pointed out the photo is worthless as it doesn't show the pass.

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[Keith_M]

I had the perfect view from the West Lower and there's no way that was offside.

When the ball was played in, Vente was exactly in line with the defender.

[Hibbyradge]

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The thing that would improve VAR would be where tech allows (like at Easter Road), fans should be able to see on the screens what the ref is seeing.

I've not seen it yet but in the stadium you are left having to trust that the refs know what they're doing.

100%

[Skol]

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You can score with your shoulder. That's where the red line starts.

Looks like its drawn from both elbows

[Hibbyradge]

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Looks like its drawn from both elbows

It goes up to the shoulders.

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It's ruining Scottish football - time to say goodbye.