The 'Tic and their paranoia

[Sparrows tongue]

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Weird thread for a Hibernian forum.

It really isn’t.

It’s a football related thread about a rival of ours.

[One Day Soon]

Self-pitying victim complex merchants. ********s best ignored. Ugly Sister Victim and Ugly Sister Bigot, **** them both.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

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Whichever one of them is second in the league seems to dictate paranoia levels. There's anti Irish Catholics galore in Scotland(I don't see them as Scottish) but that isn't the reason Smelltic are *****.

I’m presuming I must be reading this wrong, you don’t see catholics as Scottish?


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[jakeshibs]

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So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams.


Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

well said Sir, first to wear the green!!!

[Iain G]

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Conflating the OO and Freemasons makes no sense. Most masons have nothing in common with those bigots.

I never linked them, it was in the other thread!

[Iain G]

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We’re all masons except you.

That makes me very happy 🤣

[Iain G]

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I’m presuming I must be reading this wrong, you don’t see catholics as Scottish?


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Surely Scottish people are Scottish, regardless of what fairytales, children's stories and poppycock they believe?

[sambajustice]

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So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams.

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

What a load of complete crap.

[RIP]

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What a load of complete crap.

Click on the link in Carheenlea's post.

The video is entitled "Anyone but Celtic".

You won't need to watch more that ten minutes to revise that statement

[The Harp Awakes]

I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with the OP.

I do agree that the hysteria spouted by some Celtic fans is way over the top. Outside the Rangers they do seem to get much more favourable decisions than the other clubs.

However, you just need to look at the statistics of pens awarded and pens conceded over many years, to accept that the Rangers are treated much more favourably than any other club. Add in the fact that the titles and cups are almost always won by the 2 clubs, then it is easy to see why some Celtic fans believe there is a conspiracy against them.

On the subject of Irish/Catholic prejudice, sadly I think this still exists in Scotland, particularly away from the East. This is an news story from only a few days ago but theses incidents are not uncommon:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...d-32003491.amp

The religious prejudice involved is disturbing.

One other thing I'd add is that in a lifetime engaging with Hibs supporters, Celtic supporters and/or Catholic people, I've never came across any prejudice against Protestant people. I can't say that of Rangers supporters for sure.

[vuefrom1875]

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You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

Spot on,he's a goatskin.

[Smartie]

My Celtic-supporting mate actively revels in the fact that they’re the establishment club now, and the bites he gets from all and hundry are hilarious.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Wondering what the order of things were. Celtc not winning every week and then a building agenda against them or the agenda building and then they aren't winning every week.

[WhileTheChief..]

How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

[Sparrows tongue]

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Surely Scottish people are Scottish, regardless of what fairytales, children's stories and poppycock they believe?

Surely you can be Scottish and have a religion though?

[McD]

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I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with the OP.

I do agree that the hysteria spouted by some Celtic fans is way over the top. Outside the Rangers they do seem to get much more favourable decisions than the other clubs.

However, you just need to look at the statistics of pens awarded and pens conceded over many years, to accept that the Rangers are treated much more favourably than any other club. Add in the fact that the titles and cups are almost always won by the 2 clubs, then it is easy to see why some Celtic fans believe there is a conspiracy against them.

On the subject of Irish/Catholic prejudice, sadly I think this still exists in Scotland, particularly away from the East. This is an news story from only a few days ago but theses incidents are not uncommon:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...d-32003491.amp

The religious prejudice involved is disturbing.

One other thing I'd add is that in a lifetime engaging with Hibs supporters, Celtic supporters and/or Catholic people, I've never came across any prejudice against Protestant people. I can't say that of Rangers supporters for sure.

How does rangers and Celtic almost always winning winning every cup and trophy equate to a conspiracy against Celtic? They’ve won far more than anyone for a significant time, rangers have been back in the top flight for 7 full seasons, and Celtic have largely dominated them during that period

[Jones28]

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How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

The difference is we win **** all and can justify our moaning.

[WhileTheChief..]

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The difference is we win **** all and can justify our moaning.

Fair comment!!

[hibsbollah]

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How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

I did think as well in fairness

[RIP]

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Spot on,he's a goatskin.

You referring to me ya saftie.

Why don't you join me as a member of St Pat's branch of the HSA and I'll show you the photos of my family trip to Ballingarry Ireland last year to visit the birthplace of our founder.

Then if you speak to me nicely, I'll show you my full back tattoo collection. It's visible on my avatar.

Cannon Hannan, St Pat's Church, Pat Stanton,
Canongate, Scottish Cup, Irish Harp all signed off by the signature - Southsider.

I'm coming up for 68 and still never crossed the door of a Masonic Lodge. Read my first post again. Maybe you won't miss the point so spectacularly second time around 🤣

[eastmainsmsh]

They will be even more paranoid Roger’s interested in abdellah zoubir that played for us

[Iain G]

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Surely you can be Scottish and have a religion though?

You can be Scottish ave believe in whatever nonsense you like, and you are still Scottish 😊

[PHeffernan]

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If you don’t sense a huge swell of paranoia among the fan base then I’d recommend a look at this if you have a spare hour. You might change your mind!

https://youtu.be/M4Ld__g_L3A?feature=shared

My god, that is embarrassing. Complete zoomers!
With a degree of intelligence they could have made a valid 20 minute piece but what you get is over an hour of howling at the moon.
Obviously the target audience are the unquestioning hoards.

[The Harp Awakes]

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How does rangers and Celtic almost always winning winning every cup and trophy equate to a conspiracy against Celtic? They’ve won far more than anyone for a significant time, rangers have been back in the top flight for 7 full seasons, and Celtic have largely dominated them during that period

Their view on life is is only 2 clubs exist in Scotland that matter. Every other club is a diddy club. If the conspiracy is that officials favour the Rangers (and the stats suggest that) then it's anti Celtic.

If there is any conspiracy, then it's pro Rangers to the detriment of every other club, not just Celtic.

[Malthibby]

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You can be Scottish ave believe in whatever nonsense you like, and you are still Scottish 😊

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[Carheenlea]

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My god, that is embarrassing. Complete zoomers!
With a degree of intelligence they could have made a valid 20 minute piece but what you get is over an hour of howling at the moon.
Obviously the target audience are the unquestioning hoards.

Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

[Bakerman]

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Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

Craig Thompson's face was paraded on more than one occasion. That was never a referee. At least he got that right. Think the other one Craig Napier is the thing Thompson's prodigy. There is an element of truth, in there, of course there is, it was a clumsy, and amateurish video in parts though. Anyone, that's followed Hibernian for decades knows that there has been a definite establishment in the refereeing circles.

[PHeffernan]

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Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

Sean Fallon is an old man and lets just say, I think the film makers took advantage of him.
As for Tom Boyd, it would be interesting to hear what he was told before making his contribution which didn't really follow the madness of the rest of it.
I picture him taking a deep intake of breath when he saw the bat **** finished product. Similarly Celtic PLC when it was brought to their notice. I trust Boyd and the club learned a lesson.

The content of the film had mare holes than Rab C's vest.
Stories where the punchline didn't make their point like the conspirators appointing a Hearts supporter to referee the Hearts v Dundee game to ensure that Celtic didn't win the title. All good but Albert Kidd and Dundee won the game, unstopped by the referee, meaning Celtic won the league.
Then there was all the cringe stuff about the woman at the SFA which bizarely had nothing to do with any Rangers/Masonic conspiracy. Just base titilation to keep the attention of the easily manipulated Cellik supporting dullards the film was aimed at.

[Bakerman]

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Sean Fallon is an old man and lets just say, I think the film makers took advantage of him.
As for Tom Boyd, it would be interesting to hear what he was told before making his contribution which didn't really follow the madness of the rest of it.
I picture him taking a deep intake of breath when he saw the bat **** finished product. Similarly Celtic PLC when it was brought to their notice. I trust Boyd and the club learned a lesson.

The makers told stories where the punchline didn't make their point like the conspirators appointing a Hearts supporter to referee the Hearts v Dundee game to ensure that Celtic didn't win the title. All good but Albert Kidd and Dundee won the game, unstopped by the referee, meaning Celtic won the league.
Then there was all the cringe stuff about the woman at the SFA which bizarely had nothing to do with any Rangers/Masonic conspiracy. I presume it was included to keep the attention of the dullards.

Genuine question, why are you attempting to make out, that there wasn't a hierarchy, within refereeing circles? Just about every Hibernian supporter over the age of 30 knows that there has been? Why are you so passionate, on the side of, the Bob Valentine's, Craig Thompson's, Craig Napier's etc?

[PHeffernan]

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Genuine question, why are you attempting to make out, that there wasn't a hierarchy, within refereeing circles? Just about every Hibernian supporter over the age of 30 knows that there has been? Why are you so passionate, on the side of, the Bob Valentine's, Craig Thompson's, Craig Napier's etc?

Have you watched the film?