The sad thing is that Livi EXPECT to beat us

[GreenCastle]

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Worse than one would ever imagine

Hibs 14 wins
Livi 22 wins

Awful record.

[JohnM1875]

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Aye lets blame the pitch for noy being able to beat livi! Need to look at ourselves tbh

I'm not solely blaming the pitch. We were an embarrassment first half. Anyone watching that couldn't argue otherwise.

[Stubbsy90+2]

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Their pitch absolutely did help them against the huns. It was a close game and I bet huns take three or four off them at Ibrox. We were absolutely brutal first half today but I won't believe for a second that their awful pitch doesn't benefit them.

I also don't think Livi are a bad team by the way so don't mean any disrespect in that regard, just think that pitch is up there with one of the worst you'll see in any decent top league in Europe.

Rangers beat them 1-0 at Ibrox last season so I’m not sure why it’s so likely they’ll win by 3 or 4 this time round.

Livi do a better job of adapting to the surfaces they’re playing on. It’s that simple.

It’s been the same story for years now with Hibs. The minute we face any sort of adversity we struggle big time, whether that’s pitch, style of play, coming up against a big guy up top etc.

We’ve watched us collapse twice against St Johnstone at Hampden because they didn’t let us have it all our own way. We collapse every time we go to Livi because we don’t get it all our own way.

If things are ticking along nicely then we’ll do ok. The minute someone does something to us that we don’t like, such as have the audacity to have a different pitch from us, we fold like a house of cards. We’ve used it as an excuse at Tynie for years as well.

[Hibernia&Alba]

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Awful record.

Against a 'new' club it certainly is, but what do we expect with Hibs? We are always bearing gifts for opponents.

[LoaningCrHibbie]

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Awful record.

It's actually ...

23 wins for Hibs

14 for Livingston

6 draws

according to Soccerbase

[Hibernia&Alba]

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It's actually ...

23 wins for Hibs

14 for Livingston

6 draws

according to Soccerbase

I will take those stats instead

Alternative facts to ease the pain.

[Alfred E Newman]

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It's actually ...

23 wins for Hibs

14 for Livingston

6 draws

according to Soccerbase

26 wins actually.

[He's here!]

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Why shouldn’t Livingston expect to beat us? They do it regularly these days. They finished above us last season, they are better organised and have more desire to win. It’s a bit of a cheek for us to look down down our noses at them and it’s about time folk realised that we are a very ordinary middle of the table team. I was surprised to see that the bookies had us favourites to win today.

I'm mot saying they SHOULDN'T expect to beat us. They absolutely should given, as you say, that they do it regularly.

The reason I'm saying it's sad is because it sums up where we are as a club. Well resourced with a fan base many times that of Livi's yet we carry zero fear factor with us and do next to nothing to justify our status as a supposed 'big' club.

What is the point of digging deep in the derby only to turn in that first half display today? Livi don't think uh-oh here come those big city heavyweights with their intimidating support. Tough game ahead. They think here come those softies who can't handle us.

Sea change of attitude required at Hibs, but I just don't think we have it in us.

[Stonewall]

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I'm not solely blaming the pitch. We were an embarrassment first half. Anyone watching that couldn't argue otherwise.

I know, but how is it possible to have an artificial pitch where the ball bobbles?

[LoaningCrHibbie]

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26 wins actually.

Great and I stand corrected; but what's your source ?

[Alfred E Newman]

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Great and I stand corrected; but what's your source ?

Fitbastats

[LoaningCrHibbie]

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Fitbastats

Cheers