Joe Newell.

[Hibernian Verse]

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Sunday was the first time for ages that I studied Joe’s performance and I agree that under Johnston we are now seeing a hungrier player who goes looking for the ball at every opportunity whether in attack or by pressing the opposition player carrying the ball.

The thing that I’d previously overlooked was how tightly he is marked. Hearts has clearly identified Joe as a playmaker with the result that he was afforded very little time to run with the ball.

It's incredible how many times it's overlooked that there are 11 other players on the park trying to disrupt our play.

[Hibiza]

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It's incredible how many times it's overlooked that there are 11 other players on the park trying to disrupt our play.

C'mon ,eh , yes of course . Joe can't handle it . Same disruption for everyone.

[cameronw-hfc]

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C'mon ,eh , yes of course . Joe can't handle it . Same disruption for everyone.

That's not true at all. Some players have way more time on the ball, ie, Gogic when he was here. You wouldn't mark him, you'd leave him free, he's the guy you want the opposition to have on the ball as he's useless on it, guys like Newell are the ones that get marked out the game

I'm not saying it's the reason for any poor games he's had, but to say all players have the same disruption is just blatantly wrong, as teams will set up to specifically disrupt certain players, usually the better ones.

[Hibernian Verse]

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C'mon ,eh , yes of course . Joe can't handle it . Same disruption for everyone.

That's just a load of *****. He is one of the players who can absolutely handle being pressed.

[Shrekko]

There's a reason that since Newell got moved into the middle of the park that he's been an almost automatic starter under 3 different managers.

He's not above criticism by any means but some of the stuff that regularly gets trotted out about him is just embarrassing to read. The guy can't do it all on his own but if we lose the knives are out when there are generally always far bigger culprits. I appreciate people can have differing opinions on a players ability but he simply is not the player that his regular critics say he is. At this level he is well above average and his performances range from decent to very good. Talk of him not having appetite, hiding etc are absolute nonsense.

[FilipinoHibs]

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There's a reason that since Newell got moved into the middle of the park that he's been an almost automatic starter under 3 different managers.

He's not above criticism by any means but some of the stuff that regularly gets trotted out about him is just embarrassing to read. The guy can't do it all on his own but if we lose the knives are out when there are generally always far bigger culprits. I appreciate people can have differing opinions on a players ability but he simply is not the player that his regular critics say he is. At this level he is well above average and his performances range from decent to very good. Talk of him not having appetite, hiding etc are absolute nonsense.

Always there to pick up the ball and take under pressure. Rarely miss passes. Much more forward thinking this season. Hard in the tackle and fights to win pocession. Sometimes needlessly fouls. A solid 7.5 out of 10 every game.

[The Modfather]

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Always there to pick up the ball and take under pressure. Rarely miss passes. Much more forward thinking this season. Hard in the tackle and fights to win pocession. Sometimes needlessly fouls. A solid 7.5 out of 10 every game.

Sounds like a player we will struggle to keep hold of!

I agree with elements of your description but a little bit of rose tinted glasses in the description IMO.

[flash]

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Sounds like a player we will struggle to keep hold of!

I agree with elements of your description but a little bit of rose tinted glasses in the description IMO.

Indeed. He is neither fantastic nor awful every week.

[J-C]

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Always there to pick up the ball and take under pressure. Rarely miss passes. Much more forward thinking this season. Hard in the tackle and fights to win pocession. Sometimes needlessly fouls. A solid 7.5 out of 10 every game.

Or mostly average 6 with the odd 7-8 thrown in.

[Hibiza]

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Indeed. He is neither fantastic nor awful every week.

It's not good enough , completely uninspirational, quite boring to be honest.

[Hibiza]

And , yes , I'm boring too.

[HIBS NUTS]

Fantastic that Joe turned up to watch the development squad last night, he was low profile, just stood behind the goals, good to see. 👍🏻

[loanheadhibby]

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Fantastic that Joe turned up to watch the development squad last night, he was low profile, just stood behind the goals, good to see. 👍🏻

Fantastic? Really.
Nice that he turned up to watch the kids but I'd prefer he turned up at Livvi on Sunday.
The reason I regularly have a pop at Joe is that unlike some of the others he does have some ability.

[loanheadhibby]

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There's a reason that since Newell got moved into the middle of the park that he's been an almost automatic starter under 3 different managers.

He's not above criticism by any means but some of the stuff that regularly gets trotted out about him is just embarrassing to read. The guy can't do it all on his own but if we lose the knives are out when there are generally always far bigger culprits. I appreciate people can have differing opinions on a players ability but he simply is not the player that his regular critics say he is. At this level he is well above average and his performances range from decent to very good. Talk of him not having appetite, hiding etc are absolute nonsense.

From the start of his H8bs career until now he has been average.
No better no worse.

[BoomtownHibees]

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Fantastic? Really.
Nice that he turned up to watch the kids but I'd prefer he turned up at Livvi on Sunday.
The reason I regularly have a pop at Joe is that unlike some of the others he does have some ability.

I’d prefer him turning up on Saturday tbf

[MWHIBBIES]

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From the start of his H8bs career until now he has been average.
No better no worse.

Just a dumb thing to say really. He started absolutely awful so that was certainly worse.

Since then he's been mostly good, sometimes excellent, certainly no more poor games than anyone else, but some had never got over his start, and him being an English lower league signing.

[bigwheel]

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Just a dumb thing to say really. He started absolutely awful so that was certainly worse.

Since then he's been mostly good, sometimes excellent, certainly no more poor games than anyone else, but some had never got over his start, and him being an English lower league signing.

Thing is he signed from Rotherham after playing for them in the a championship..wasn’t even a lower league player ….

[cameronw-hfc]

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Just a dumb thing to say really. He started absolutely awful so that was certainly worse.

Since then he's been mostly good, sometimes excellent, certainly no more poor games than anyone else, but some had never got over his start, and him being an English lower league signing.

I've said here before it's pretty blatant a certain section of our support just took a dislike to joe, and it's blatantly obvious. I'll come away from a loss thinking certain players struggled, but every, single, time I come home there's a thread about Joe, the match thread is filled with abuse and any other game related threads somehow turn into a Joe Newell is crap fest.

Its a shame as he's really taken to the club, seems to care a lot and give his all, just to be disliked for no reason by a section of our support.

[B.H.F.C]

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I've said here before it's pretty blatant a certain section of our support just took a dislike to joe, and it's blatantly obvious. I'll come away from a loss thinking certain players struggled, but every, single, time I come home there's a thread about Joe, the match thread is filled with abuse and any other game related threads somehow turn into a Joe Newell is crap fest.

Its a shame as he's really taken to the club, seems to care a lot and give his all, just to be disliked for no reason by a section of our support.

It’s just that folk (and not some tiny minority) hold the opposite opinion to you on his abilities.

It’s nothing to do with disliking the guy, some folk just don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as others do as a player.

[MWHIBBIES]

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I've said here before it's pretty blatant a certain section of our support just took a dislike to joe, and it's blatantly obvious. I'll come away from a loss thinking certain players struggled, but every, single, time I come home there's a thread about Joe, the match thread is filled with abuse and any other game related threads somehow turn into a Joe Newell is crap fest.

Its a shame as he's really taken to the club, seems to care a lot and give his all, just to be disliked for no reason by a section of our support.

Yep. It's really sad. This place was extremely toxic at that time and in his and Doidges case it's never moved on.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Poor Joe. He’s just not been given a fair shake of things to win all Hibs fans over (as he approaches 100 games)

[bigwheel]

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I've said here before it's pretty blatant a certain section of our support just took a dislike to joe, and it's blatantly obvious. I'll come away from a loss thinking certain players struggled, but every, single, time I come home there's a thread about Joe, the match thread is filled with abuse and any other game related threads somehow turn into a Joe Newell is crap fest.

Its a shame as he's really taken to the club, seems to care a lot and give his all, just to be disliked for no reason by a section of our support.

It’s a good summary this ..reactions seem to target a few regularly and Joe is always high on the hit list . Still one of our best players imho…

[MWHIBBIES]

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Poor Joe. He’s just not been given a fair shake of things to win all Hibs fans over (as he approaches 100 games)

Folk would have you believe only 10 of those were good Thats the kind of utter pish hes up against

[easty]

I’m a massive Joe Newell fan, think he gets far too much stick.

I could say the same about Hanlon.

Both easy picks for any Hibs manager when they’re fit enough.

[JammyDoidger]

I think personally the problem with Newell is that everyone knows he's a good player, but doesn't really stand out enough in an attacking sense, it seems the dirty side of the game is now what he does more, when he was at Rotherham he was more of a goal threat and a flair player, I like Newell the issue is the midfield as a whole, if we could add a bit flair in beside him he would be fine imo, although I'd like to see him contribute more in an attacking sense goals and assists as he's certainly capable of bursting on and contributing in that regard.

[cameronw-hfc]

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It’s just that folk (and not some tiny minority) hold the opposite opinion to you on his abilities.

It’s nothing to do with disliking the guy, some folk just don’t think he’s anywhere near as good as others do as a player.

I'm fine with those who think he's got things to improve on, im talking about a section of our fans who seem to think everything and anything on the park is Joe's fault. There's those that rate him, those that don't and those that push it way too far with the abuse/criticism because it's an obvious dislike to him

[hhibs]

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Yep. It's really sad. This place was extremely toxic at that time and in his and Doidges case it's never moved on.

Sorry ,we are not allowed to say we do not think he plays well enough or is a good fit for Hibs because you and others think it is something personal..................total nonsense !

[keep the faith]

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From the start of his H8bs career until now he has been average.
No better no worse.

Maybe hibs nets most negative poster?

Newell is a cracking player and will thrive with better players around him.

[B.H.F.C]

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I'm fine with those who think he's got things to improve on, im talking about a section of our fans who seem to think everything and anything on the park is Joe's fault. There's those that rate him, those that don't and those that push it way too far with the abuse/criticism because it's an obvious dislike to him

It’s not a dislike of Newell, it’s a dislike of his performances. Include myself in that, I find him so frustrating to watch. Anyone can see he is capable, but the problem with him is that I think we spend a lot of time talking about how he is capable of more without seeing him actually do it.

Don’t think anyone really thinks everything is his fault either. But he’s such a constant and key part of the team that he’s going to attract more comment IMO.

[cameronw-hfc]

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Sorry ,we are not allowed to say we do not think he plays well enough or is a good fit for Hibs because you and others think it is something personal..................total nonsense !

You're missing the obvious point. Nobody has an issue with critiquing him, it's the 25 "waste of a jersey", " heart of a mouse", "wage thief" comments that inevitably come Joes way whenever the team doesn't perform that is getting a bit boring.

If we don't win, I fully expect to come on here and see a thread about Newell, tens of posts in different threads targeting him.

There's fans that don't rate him, sound, there's ones that do, but there's also a section of our support that use Joe as a scapegoat when they need a wee moan.