Hibernian Supporters / HSL - Transfer window

[Bostonhibby]

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Great post and your passion for safeguarding the future of the club comes across. I am in complete agreement with you.



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Count me in, it's why myself, my family and friends who bought into the original HSL did so. It's why it was set up.

Many of us still do get cash into our club in other ways. I hope those that are seeking other ways to do it find them too.

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[donno]

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I have read this thread with interest and very amazed how fans see things differently.

HSl were set up to buy shares in Hibs. The vision was to protect our club for many years to come. To stop cowboys dead in their tracks. To stop some sleazebag getting us as a plaything. Holding shares in the entity is a way the entity might be protected.(This section is talking about the Romanovs of this world)

I place no blame on the previous owners. They gave HSL and the fans a lot of time to buy up shares to at least get a 25.1% (Safeguard) We reached just over 20%. HSL was on way to achieving the safeguard figure. (The balloons at the start who called it a Ponzi scheme didn't help matters)

Perhaps our present owner doesn't like fan ownership. He might take the view a business should be owned by a rich individual. Is fan ownership a form of socialism ? I don't know. What I do know is HSL used to have approx 20 % holding and now after the change in ownership we only own 15.4%. Why ?

What I do know is that men like Bill Shankley, Matt Busby and Alex Ferguson believed in the man in the street. The wee supporter whose club means the world to them.

Why would I just hand my cash over to a rich individual with nothing in return ? Will the individual give me my money back when he sells ?
I like Ralph Lauren Polo shirts and I might purchase one now and again but I wouldn't walk into their store and say right there's the 75 quid for the shirt and oh by the way here's another 100 quid because I just love your brand ! Bizarre.

Off now to get a haircut. individual gives me a right good cut and I willingly pay my £20. I have never once thought about a separate donation to the couple who own the salon.
Why would I ? They would think I was a right soft lad.

This!

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[wallpaperman]

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It should (and hopefully will) be possible to accommodate both camps. We’re working on pulling together a suitable solution for all contributors but it will take a bit of time to get it sorted.

I’d ask everyone to bear with us while this is worked out.

Can I ask if there has been any progress on this 4 months later? I have continued to pay my monthly contribution, and would be interested to know if funds are still being stockpiled?

I appreciate that money has been spent on the hospitality season ticket and I thought that a great idea, but something else needs to happen, can’t keep putting money away for a day that will probably never happen.

Logged into my account just now for the first time in forever and was surprised to be greeted with the message ‘Your donation is used to support the Football Department and keep improving things on the park’. which as far as I’m aware has not been the case for some considerable time.

My engagement with the club is probably at an all time low, for various reasons, since I first went to see them in 1976 as a 6 year old, I have got much more enjoyment recently watching games much lower down the pyramid.

My November payment has just been paid so I have a few weeks to decide whether to cancel/pause, I just can’t see any reason not to, being quite honest.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Fully paid up HSL member (one of 3 in my household) but unfortunately wouldn't consider putting a penny more in, if it's just a case of handing it over to the current custodians of the club to fritter away, effectively a subsidy to avoid a millionaire needing to waste his own money.

[wallpaperman]

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Fully paid up HSL member (one of 3 in my household) but unfortunately wouldn't consider putting a penny more in, if it's just a case of handing it over to the current custodians of the club to fritter away, effectively a subsidy to avoid a millionaire needing to waste his own money.

My understanding is the opposite, that money is being held by HSL these recent months (other than paying for the hospitality table) to build up a war chest or something.

Clarity on this would be useful.

[Daniel 1875]

We’ve not been putting the money into the club for a number of months now, since it was voted at the AGM that the Articles would be changed and that funds would be held - this has been reiterated a number of times since then.

As a result of the wishes of some members to hand their money to the club, we’ve been working on allowing this via the website as a simple donation scheme via Hibernian Supporters and separate from anything else. This work is nearly finished and we’ll update when it is.

For the avoidance of doubt, other than the funds paid for the Pioneers table and the women’s team sponsorship vs Glasgow City, no cash has been passed to the club by way of donation or otherwise since the start of the year.

[wallpaperman]

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We’ve not been putting the money into the club for a number of months now, since it was voted at the AGM that the Articles would be changed and that funds would be held - this has been reiterated a number of times since then.

As a result of the wishes of some members to hand their money to the club, we’ve been working on allowing this via the website as a simple donation scheme via Hibernian Supporters and separate from anything else. This work is nearly finished and we’ll update when it is.

For the avoidance of doubt, other than the funds paid for the Pioneers table and the women’s team sponsorship vs Glasgow City, no cash has been passed to the club by way of donation or otherwise since the start of the year.

Thanks for the clarity on the situation Daniel.

It’s definitely a good stopping off point for me and has made up my mind. When this started I had hoped that it would challenge the Hearts fans scheme (though knew it would never quite match their scale due to the circumstances their one was started in) and put real money into the club.

I can see this is never really going to happen. At best we probably have a couple of thousand regular contributors, if a few hundred decide to divert their money to the club it’s not really going to make much difference. I expect the majority will choose that the funds are held, and that’s fine, but for how long?

Anyway, I’ll always treasure the shirt with my name on it.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Thanks for clarifying.
As above I had hoped that in addition to building up a significant block of shares to avoid any future risk to the club, it would be an additional income stream as per Hearts scheme. Neither is going to happen sadly.

[Daniel 1875]

We’re not going anywhere. As a collective we have a significant share in our club and we can and will play our part to ensure it’s as successful as possible.

The more people that stay with us or join us on that journey, the stronger we can be for the club.

Whether in good times or bad we’ll still be here, so I’d encourage anyone thinking about stopping payment to stick with us.

Everything we do is guided by members, and as an organisation we are far stronger now than we were 12 months ago. We’ll keep striving to ensure that our organisation is as strong as it possibly can be for the people who collectively own it, while also ensuring we are doing all we can to support the football club.

[Scorrie]

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We’re not going anywhere. As a collective we have a significant share in our club and we can and will play our part to ensure it’s as successful as possible.

The more people that stay with us or join us on that journey, the stronger we can be for the club.

Whether in good times or bad we’ll still be here, so I’d encourage anyone thinking about stopping payment to stick with us.

Everything we do is guided by members, and as an organisation we are far stronger now than we were 12 months ago. We’ll keep striving to ensure that our organisation is as strong as it possibly can be for the people who collectively own it, while also ensuring we are doing all we can to support the football club.

Thanks for this. I was thinking of stopping my monthly contribution but will hang on in there.

[MelbourneHibees]

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We’re not going anywhere. As a collective we have a significant share in our club and we can and will play our part to ensure it’s as successful as possible.

The more people that stay with us or join us on that journey, the stronger we can be for the club.

Whether in good times or bad we’ll still be here, so I’d encourage anyone thinking about stopping payment to stick with us.

Everything we do is guided by members, and as an organisation we are far stronger now than we were 12 months ago. We’ll keep striving to ensure that our organisation is as strong as it possibly can be for the people who collectively own it, while also ensuring we are doing all we can to support the football club.

Exactly this. I wish there was an appetite amongst the core of the support to buy into HSL.
140k a month Hearts effectively get for free.

Also of this nonsense which should be against SPFL rules if you ask me.

https://twitter.com/jonnyrmcfarlane/...JrRdIVruA&s=09

[green day]

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Exactly this. I wish there was an appetite amongst the core of the support to buy into HSL.
140k a month Hearts effectively get for free.

Also of this nonsense which should be against SPFL rules if you ask me.

https://twitter.com/jonnyrmcfarlane/...JrRdIVruA&s=09

Gifting a club money is fine, its how it is portrayed that is hilarious -

BBC report merely states that they "made a profit of £3m" and later ""Boosted by players sales and ongoing benefactors' support, profit before tax of £1.7m was reported for the financial year,"

Its really poor reporting that they would have been in the crap if it wasnt for £4.5m of Andersons money !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63642577

[Lago]

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Exactly this. I wish there was an appetite amongst the core of the support to buy into HSL.
140k a month Hearts effectively get for free.

Also of this nonsense which should be against SPFL rules if you ask me.

https://twitter.com/jonnyrmcfarlane/...JrRdIVruA&s=09

The Hearts scheme just seems much more attractive to their support than HSL is to the Hibs support, irrespective as to how it's reported Hearts have made a decent profit after a pretty lack lustre European run.

[Stairway 2 7]

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The Hearts scheme just seems much more attractive to their support than HSL is to the Hibs support, irrespective as to how it's reported Hearts have made a decent profit after a pretty lack lustre European run.

There's is going towards players, ours is going to a rainy day fund. There was talks months ago that it would be separated so you could choose to put towards team, but nothing happened.

[banchoryhibs]

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There's is going towards players, ours is going to a rainy day fund. There was talks months ago that it would be separated so you could choose to put towards team, but nothing happened.

As Daniel has said there will shortly be a facility on the HSL website to allow anyone who wishes to donate funds directly to the club to do so. I believe that the changes are now almost complete.

For various reasons this work has taken a wee while but I expect an announcement to be made very soon.

[chippy]

I’ve contributed to HSL since the beginning and will continue to do so. Purchasing the hospitality tables was a good use of our funds. I won’t be donating directly to the club. I want us to build up a large fund for the future. Who knows how the Gordon’s era will play out. Best to be ready for their eventual departure

[ancient hibee]

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The Hearts scheme just seems much more attractive to their support than HSL is to the Hibs support, irrespective as to how it's reported Hearts have made a decent profit after a pretty lack lustre European run.

Their”lacklustre “European run will probably be worth an extra £1.5 million in profit and will not be included until their next accounts.

[Lago]

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I’ve contributed to HSL since the beginning and will continue to do so. Purchasing the hospitality tables was a good use of our funds. I won’t be donating directly to the club. I want us to build up a large fund for the future. Who knows how the Gordon’s era will play out. Best to be ready for their eventual departure

And in the mean time Hearts continue to pull further away, while some Hibs fans contribute to a rainy day fund in the hope the Gordon’s will leave. Oh well it's a plan I suppose.

[Ringothedog]

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Their”lacklustre “European run will probably be worth an extra £1.5 million in profit and will not be included until their next accounts.

It will be a lot more than £1.5m, it will be at least double that amount. It’s £400k for a win in the group stages and just under £3m for getting to the group stage, then add on gate receipts. Huge amount of money. They also have their FOH and benefactors money which is about £6m a year. They will have an advantage money wise of nearer £10m over us before a ball is kicked next season

[Ringothedog]

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Their”lacklustre “European run will probably be worth an extra £1.5 million in profit and will not be included until their next accounts.

It will be a lot more than £1.5m, it will be at least double that amount. It’s £400k for a win in the group stages and just under £3m for getting to the group stage, then add on gate receipts. Huge amount of money. They also have their FOH and benefactors money which is about £6m a year. They will have an advantage money wise of nearer £10m over us before a ball is kicked next season

[MelbourneHibees]

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It will be a lot more than £1.5m, it will be at least double that amount. It’s £400k for a win in the group stages and just under £3m for getting to the group stage, then add on gate receipts. Huge amount of money. They also have their FOH and benefactors money which is about £6m a year. They will have an advantage money wise of nearer £10m over us before a ball is kicked next season

Hearts neighbour reckons about 7 to 8 million from everything but also about 4 million or so in travel and stadium alterations they were required to make like new LED lights around the stadium.

[Greencore]

Why isn't there an option to donate to HSL when buying season tickets/tickets? I understand hibernian fc have nothing to do with them. But they could atleast work with then to promote them

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Thanks for the clarity on the situation Daniel.

It’s definitely a good stopping off point for me and has made up my mind. When this started I had hoped that it would challenge the Hearts fans scheme (though knew it would never quite match their scale due to the circumstances their one was started in) and put real money into the club.

I can see this is never really going to happen. At best we probably have a couple of thousand regular contributors, if a few hundred decide to divert their money to the club it’s not really going to make much difference. I expect the majority will choose that the funds are held, and that’s fine, but for how long?

Anyway, I’ll always treasure the shirt with my name on it.

I would have thought the opposite. That many of not most would choose to give it to the club.

i’m in the HSL holding on to the cash camp btw. Gordon and Hibs have not earned my trust with my money.

[ancient hibee]

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It will be a lot more than £1.5m, it will be at least double that amount. It’s £400k for a win in the group stages and just under £3m for getting to the group stage, then add on gate receipts. Huge amount of money. They also have their FOH and benefactors money which is about £6m a year. They will have an advantage money wise of nearer £10m over us before a ball is kicked next season

You seem to have missed out all the costs of competing in Europe which will be at least 40/50% of the revenue.

[monarch]

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Exactly this. I wish there was an appetite amongst the core of the support to buy into HSL.
140k a month Hearts effectively get for free.

Also of this nonsense which should be against SPFL rules if you ask me.

https://twitter.com/jonnyrmcfarlane/...JrRdIVruA&s=09

Not sure why you feel it should be against SFA rules. Anderson’s donations are straightforward gifts, not even a debt for equity arrangement or soft loans. Nice work if you can get it. Wish we had such a benefactor.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Not sure why you feel it should be against SFA rules. Anderson’s donations are straightforward gifts, not even a debt for equity arrangement or soft loans. Nice work if you can get it. Wish we had such a benefactor.

Ffp

[monarch]

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Ffp

Ffp means what ?
Can’t keep up with these abbreviations.

[Stairway 2 7]

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Ffp means what ?
Can’t keep up with these abbreviations.

Sorry he could be talking about fifa financial fair play.

[Hibbyradge]

What's this about hospitality tables?

I've contributed every month since the start and I've heard nothing from the organisers.

[chippy]

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What's this about hospitality tables?

I've contributed every month since the start and I've heard nothing from the organisers.

You’ve not heard about the free draw for HSL current contributors that can get you and a friend hospitality places for one game? It’s been going on for a few weeks