Compared to the absolute hoofball witnesses in our domestic Championship in particular, the quality of football delivered from these lower league teams is of a standard far superior to the Scottish product.
Having viewed nearly every Friday night Championship games, the quality or lack of it displayed by Arbroath and Kilmarnock in particular was brutal. IMHO the quality of coaching and acceptance of hoofball is poor in comparison with National League games. Admittedly I have not seen a huge amount of games but those I have have been entertaining with most teams at least trying to play football.The Wrexham v Grimsby game has been outstanding.
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28-05-2022 01:10 PM #1
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28-05-2022 01:18 PM #2
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Money talks, the top teams/players in that league are paid 2/3k a week. Teams like Arbroath can't get anywhere near that.
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28-05-2022 01:22 PM #3
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No offence to the OP but seems very much like a case of turning “there’s a very exciting one-off 4-4 game on just now” into a few paragraphs of knocking Scottish football.
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28-05-2022 01:23 PM #4
It helps when a lot of the players in the National League will be paid more than any player in Scotland outside of the Premiership.
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28-05-2022 01:25 PM #5
Im a self confessed football addict and watch a huge variety of games from leagues across the world. Its safe to say I see good games and crap games in all the leagues I watch.
Has been a cracker this Wrexham Grimsby game. Going into extra time now.
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28-05-2022 01:26 PM #6
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As the OP says some of the football is good to watch and maybe it’s more about style and desire to play a certain way rather than just ‘they pay players more so they are better’.
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28-05-2022 01:30 PM #8
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28-05-2022 01:34 PM #10
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Some comparison!!
Wrexham and Stockport have taken players from English league one teams with Wrexham on a promotion bonus pot of 250k.
Meanwhile Arbroath……
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28-05-2022 01:48 PM #11
Cant say I've seen a lot of English non league football ... well none actually
Even without the comparison I have to say that even though it was quite exciting because of what was at stake and a decent atmosphere backing it up, the Kilmarnock v Arbroath match that decided the league was pretty bloody brutal, the ball barely touched the ground and I remember remarking to my extremely disinterested partner that it was a wonder the bloody thing hadn't sprouted wings it spent so long in the air.
On the other side of that I can't say I saw much hoofball in the premiership last season, pretty well every team that came to Easter Road kept the ball on the deck.
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28-05-2022 02:00 PM #12
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I spent 6 seasons watching watching the 5th tier, non league football in England. It was a lesson in accepting mediocrity
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28-05-2022 02:13 PM #13
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28-05-2022 02:20 PM #15
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I go to a lot of premier league and national league matches. PL standard is obviously very good and we rarely have players at Hibs at this level. National League standards are probably about the same as lower half Scottish Premiership/Top half of the Scottish Championship. I quite like the National League games because it feels like watching Scottish football!
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28-05-2022 02:36 PM #16
I've watched many games at National level, and lower. My local team is Bromley. To compare them to any of the top tier in Scotland is IMO total nonsense. I think we're confusing a great game with great quality.
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28-05-2022 04:32 PM #17
This is a pick and choose debate. I don't see the relevance of comparing the Scottish Leagues to the English Ones.
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28-05-2022 05:23 PM #18
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League 2 play off final had quite a few players playing today who haven’t cut it up here. Murphy was underwhelming, at best, for us. James Wilson was crap at Aberdeen. Matty Longstaff couldn’t get a game for them this year and they’re brutal.
Their leagues are competitive, the quality is crap.
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28-05-2022 05:41 PM #21
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Maybe I'm talking nonsense, but just my feelings from watching the games.
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28-05-2022 06:21 PM #22
Paul Heckingbottom has proven he is a good manager. But I think one of the biggest mistakes he made as an Englishman, that ultimately got him sacked, was disrespecting and underestimating the Scottish game by seemingly thinking that just about any player from the English league one or two could be an automatic success in a Hibernian team. Paul Heckingbottom would have been a better manager for Hibs if he had came in to the Hibernian set up believing that Hibernian are at least the equivalent of an English championship side. His signings might have been better.
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28-05-2022 06:30 PM #23
I don't think it is just down to money. Teams and coaches in England are more likely to try and get their teams to play football. Obviously that is easier with better, higher paid players, but the vast majority of teams in Scotland I have watched have shown absolutely no desire to get the ball down and at least try and play (I include youth games I have watched as well). Different culture I guess.
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28-05-2022 08:08 PM #25
Went to see Grimsby regularly when they were in the national league and they were ****ing crap.
"...when Hibs won the Scottish Cup final and that celebration, Sunshine on Leith? I don’t think there’s a better football celebration ever in the game.”
Sir Alex Ferguson
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28-05-2022 08:40 PM #26
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it doesn’t really matter what budget you have as a coach, you either want to have a passing style or not.
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28-05-2022 10:59 PM #29
Seen plenty of lower league and non league games down here. The standard of League 2 or even League 1 isn't better than top flight Scottish. No way. The standard of non league English football isn't great. Not better than Scottish Championship.
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