The referee’s usually make a signal as to why they have decided to change or award a decision. I think VAR is needed in this country. There are people who are not for it but I think the reality is we will see it introduced sooner rather than later, especially if we continue to have players, fans and clubs calling out officiating frequently.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-01-2022 03:47 AM #61
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23-01-2022 04:01 AM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-01-2022 09:28 AM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In fact, it often adds something to the game. Each set of supporters have their hopes raised and either realised or dashed once the decision is made.
That sense of injustice we feel when a referee or assistant made the wrong decision, possibly because they were unsighted or they just made a mistake, will be much less frequent.
Goals wrongly chalked off because the striker was too quick for the assistant, will be reinstated. Off the ball stamps, slaps and punches will be punished immediately rather than in retrospect when the result has already been determined.
It baffles me that all those benefits and more are on offer yet folk still don't want them. Why? Because we might have to wait a few seconds for the correct decision. Who said football fans are conservative (insert interrobang).
VAR's not going to ruin football at all. It'll change it a little bit, but for the better.
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23-01-2022 09:33 AM #64This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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"Come to the SPFL. We don't do rules".
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23-01-2022 09:43 AM #66
For decades, folk have been screaming for referees to be more accountable. VAR will be a huge step towards that.
Currently, the referee can make literally any decision they want and they NEVER have to justify it or change it. Very occasionally a ref will apologise for a bad decision but that's always after the fact and usually only when the "victim" was one of the uglies.
Now, their decisions will be scrutinised immediately and it will be extremely difficult to stick to an obvious howler when it's been analysed by several TV cameras.
Referees are unanimously in favour of introducing VAR. They want to make the correct decisions which, because they're human and it's a fast moving game, they're not always able to do. VAR will help them and help us.
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23-01-2022 10:11 AM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-01-2022 11:03 AM #68
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I guess if you like value for money then the lack of VAR gave us an extra 30 minutes of fairly crap and nervous football, otherwise we'd have won 2-0 in the 90 minutes.
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23-01-2022 11:16 AM #70
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Fully aware you are completely in favour of VAR radge, we definitely won’t change each other’s minds.
For me it’s the main thing that separates football as a sport, that euphoria of a goal going in and the spontaneous celebration. Every goal in the English premier league now I’m waiting for them to question whether it counts.
It’s crap (in my opinion).
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23-01-2022 11:18 AM #71
In theory I love the idea of VAR, but we've had it over here in Australia for 2 or 3 seasons now and I'm not sure it's improved anything. I'd keep it for offsides - it can seem a bit over the top to analyse and re-analyse footage and then allow or disallow a goal on a question of millimetres, but at least it is inarguable - there is a a line you can draw where offside begins and ends. The issue is on penalties and red cards - challenges often look worse in slow motion and I've often thought - even in games where my team isn't playing, or has benefitted in games they are playing - that the officials have got the decision wrong even after VAR.
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23-01-2022 11:21 AM #72
Does the Scottish version automatically come with the 'Penalty to Rangers' screen?
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23-01-2022 11:22 AM #73This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
We weren't allowed the euphoria of the goal going in or the spontaneous celebration because Doidge was wrongly ruled off side twice.
But, until it's here and everyone takes it for granted, I'll remain astonished.
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23-01-2022 11:28 AM #75
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It definitely splits opinion and certainly hasn’t won over the vast majority since it’s implementation almost 4 years ago.Last edited by WeeRussell; 23-01-2022 at 11:31 AM.
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23-01-2022 11:34 AM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-01-2022 11:36 AM #77
I should add, that when I tell folk that we were denied a goal because of a bad decision, people here are incredulous that we don't have VAR.
It's far more widely accepted than you think.
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23-01-2022 11:53 AM #78This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I've seen plenty of VAR decisions here that have left me shaking my head. It is no guarantee of getting the decision right. Having said all that, on balance I'm still in favour, just don't expect "bad" decisions to disappear. It would have improved our recent derby record though - Griffiths free kick, Shaw's and Forster's goals at Tynie would all have stood.
Go to about 4min 40s on this and see what you think about the penalty decision ;-) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9XlXdNc6QLast edited by ChilliEater; 23-01-2022 at 11:57 AM.
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23-01-2022 12:44 PM #79
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Go to about 4min 40s on this and see what you think about the penalty decision ;-) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9XlXdNc6Q[/QUOTE]
Unlike a clash of heads when both players hit each other, the defender's head hits the back of the striker's head as he was waiting for the ball to arrive.
He didn't mean it, and he got hurt in the process, but is that not still a foul?
I realise there are still be some controversial VAR decisions, but the obvious mistakes are more or less a thing of the past.
Any consultant doing a decision "force field" will have the benefits of VAR far outweighing any negatives.
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23-01-2022 01:42 PM #80
Another horrendous VAR decision in the Liverpool game with the player well offside in the lead up to the goal. Piss poor.
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23-01-2022 02:01 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He would only be off if he "clearly attempted to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent". The referree thought not.
It's not a VAR issue.Last edited by Hibbyradge; 23-01-2022 at 02:04 PM.
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23-01-2022 02:09 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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The referee doesn't think the player became active so he's not offside, but at least he had the chance to reconsider.
We can have a different opinion to the referee, but it's his that counts.
No VAR needed for Palace's goal.
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23-01-2022 02:19 PM #84
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You would hope that VAR would have given us the stonewaller penalty in the LC final.
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23-01-2022 02:19 PM #85
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It’s the exact thing (outwith the timing part) that I’ve a massive issue with. Debatable calls are never shown to the ref to consider, or discussed with him. Hence why there’s a 100% overturn stat when sent to the pitch side monitor. If people accept that VAR is to be in place then the games should effectively be re-referee’d to allow the man in the middle to make his own decisions - not rely on a random guy in a video room to pick and choose when he gets involved leading to zero consistency.
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23-01-2022 02:21 PM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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23-01-2022 02:40 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I can accept bad luck or a decision that disadvantages us if it's correct, but I abhor injustice and unfairness.
If we lose out because of a correct VAR application, I'll be disappointed but not angry like I am when we're done by bad decisions.
Anyway, it's coming in next season so we'll all have to hope that they've learned from the EPL experience and it's implemented as smoothly as possible.
Yes, I realise that's another discussion altogether!
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Goalie slides out and into the attacker and probaly stops him getting the ball
I don't get carra saying no pen
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