Abuse

[hibee316]

First game tonight in about 2 years (2 young kid and a wife who works weekends)

I had forgotten how much abuse folk shouted at the players.

I was near the back of the West, and there was at least four guys who looked like they might burst with anger.

It's like folk forget there is actually another team on the park who are, surprisingly, not just going to allow Hibs to roll the ball into the net.

I get that it can get very frustrating at games but shouting abuse at the top of your lungs when you are at the back of the stand us just peeing off everyone around you. The players can't even hear you!

We should make the first 2 rows around the pitch designated abuse rows for folk who want the players to really hear them!

[Lago]

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First game tonight in about 2 years (2 young kid and a wife who works weekends)

I had forgotten how much abuse folk shouted at the players.

I was near the back of the West, and there was at least four guys who looked like they might burst with anger.

It's like folk forget there is actually another team on the park who are, surprisingly, not just going to allow Hibs to roll the ball into the net.

I get that it can get very frustrating at games but shouting abuse at the top of your lungs when you are at the back of the stand us just peeing off everyone around you. The players can't even hear you!

We should make the first 2 rows around the pitch designated abuse rows for folk who want the players to really hear them!

[Vault Boy]

It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.


In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

It’s mad. Clearly the players heard it - Nisbet put his fingers in his ears when he scored.

[pacoluna]

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It’s mad. Clearly the players heard it - Nisbet put his fingers in his ears when he scored.

I put my fingers over my eyes at his sitter on Monday.

[madhatter]

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It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

Some of this is caused by the huge financial disparity between football players and paying fans. Especially in the major leagues, you are talking about football players being paid more in a week than some people earn in 5 years (or more).

I genuinely only see it getting worse in the future. I wouldn't shout abuse but if I supported PSG and saw Messi lose the ball and not look bothered I'd be raging inside knowing that he'd be earning €500,000 that week.

[Hiber-nation]

Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

[hibee316]

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Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

I shouted a couple of times for the Hibs players to pass it backwards... don't think I helped a few peoples blood pressure.

[gaz1875]

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Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

We were lumping it aimlessly some of the time.

[JJP]

It was obvious to me that there was no lack of effort from the players tonight. Don't really know what good these so called supporters think booing and shouting abuse is going to achieve. Well done to the team for being professional and getting the job done.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There have been threads in the past where topic of abuse has arisen and term was clarified - was justified by a small number over the years.

To those abusing Hibs players I suggest you watch a dyed in the wool Hibee (one of our own) Joe Tortolano talk of his experience - it was available via St Pats at one stage not sure if it’s still online. It’s one of the worst cases of abuse in my mind. I distinctly recall (at an away game at EEP or St Johnstone where Callum Milne was so disgusted he slammed the ball against the hoardings in frustration at a section of our own support. Shocking.

if you can watch that and still stand up for your actions when you see the impact it had, then you probably need to take a long hard look at yourself.

[jacomo]

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Some of this is caused by the huge financial disparity between football players and paying fans. Especially in the major leagues, you are talking about football players being paid more in a week than some people earn in 5 years (or more).

I genuinely only see it getting worse in the future. I wouldn't shout abuse but if I supported PSG and saw Messi lose the ball and not look bothered I'd be raging inside knowing that he'd be earning €500,000 that week.

Yes but that doesn’t apply at our club does it?

Some of our ‘supporters’ need to have a serious word with themselves. The abuse both at ER and on the socials is absolutely pathetic.

[Alfred E Newman]

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It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

Goodness me.
The crowd shouting and getting worked up is part of the game at all levels and it has been since the game was invented, it’s called atmosphere.
If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

[Vault Boy]

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Goodness me.
The crowd shouting and getting worked up is part of the game at all levels and it has been since the game was invented, it’s called atmosphere.
If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

Quite a leap from 'abuse shouldn't be normalised in football' to 'fans being told what they can and can't say'.

Abusing players and staff isn't atmosphere, it's the opposite.

[hibee316]

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If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

I'm not sure I get your point.

You are quite rightly not allowed to shout rascist, sectarian (unless you are OF!) or homophobic abuse at folk.

So, it is, thankfully, already dictated by society what you can and can't shout. And also what is acceptable evolves.

The point is what the folk around me are doing is not appropriate, they are just not reading the room that everyone else thinks they are an erse.

[Unseen work]

The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

[hibee316]

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The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

I can only comment from 2 years previous, but there were always folk around me shouting abuse regardless of how or who we played.

Just angry folk who can't see the effect of their behaviour of all the folk around them.

[ArmadaleHibs]

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The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

I have to agree with all of the above. I’ve had a season ticket for as long as I care to remember. I’m also at 99% of away games and have done this since the 80s.

I get that fans want to vent frustration and the likes but this has taken on a whole new level in the last few years. Some of the abuse aimed at the players is disgusting, relentless and constant regardless of how they are playing, and there seems to be more and more of our (dwindling) support joining in.

Maloneys been in the door five minutes and he’s already being crucified in some social media quarters and from the stands. It’s ridiculous. The old guy and his son sat behind me last night literally had nothing good to say about any player barring mueller. They slated near enough everyone constantly. The absolute negativity and abuse they gave joe Newell, who I thought was very good at times last night, was utterly shameful at times.

Have we become the best team in the world in recent years and as we are not reaching the top with every kick of the ball we are merited in slagging, criticising and abusing the players constantly. No we’ve not and we shouldn’t be. I know it’s probably inherent at most clubs but if there was a league table for moaning fans we would be right up there challenging. Then the fans would moan if we didn’t win that as well.

I feel for some of our players and the crap that’s hurled at them. New manager, trying to teach old dogs new tricks overnight and we can’t just get behind it fully. It can be hard being a Hibby but there will be times when it can be easy and wonderful. Not for some fans though obviously

[JimBHibees]

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I have to agree with all of the above. I’ve had a season ticket for as long as I care to remember. I’m also at 99% of away games and have done this since the 80s.

I get that fans want to vent frustration and the likes but this has taken on a whole new level in the last few years. Some of the abuse aimed at the players is disgusting, relentless and constant regardless of how they are playing, and there seems to be more and more of our (dwindling) support joining in.

Maloneys been in the door five minutes and he’s already being crucified in some social media quarters and from the stands. It’s ridiculous. The old guy and his son sat behind me last night literally had nothing good to say about any player barring mueller. They slated near enough everyone constantly. The absolute negativity and abuse they gave joe Newell, who I thought was very good at times last night, was utterly shameful at times.

Have we become the best team in the world in recent years and as we are not reaching the top with every kick of the ball we are merited in slagging, criticising and abusing the players constantly. No we’ve not and we shouldn’t be. I know it’s probably inherent at most clubs but if there was a league table for moaning fans we would be right up there challenging. Then the fans would moan if we didn’t win that as well.

I feel for some of our players and the crap that’s hurled at them. New manager, trying to teach old dogs new tricks overnight and we can’t just get behind it fully. It can be hard being a Hibby but there will be times when it can be easy and wonderful. Not for some fans though obviously

Great post

[heretoday]

Never boo Hibs. It's not going to help them play better.

[Shrekko]

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Never boo Hibs. It's not going to help them play better.

Many’s a time I’ve shouted “ah cmon that’s rubbish” or whatever but “supporters” who actually personally abuse their own players and boo their team during a game are one of life’s huge mysteries?

It’s the fact you know that some of them start within seconds of the game starting - they know they’re going to do it, they get their kicks from doing it and yet they stand there with a Hibs scarve on.

[Callum_62]

Some of our fans are a bit pathetic likes

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[Nicho87]

I noticed as well during that spell

When the players started listening to the ‘noise’

Maloney I’m sure he said something along lines of keep the ball ignore the noise.

[hibee316]

I've always found it odd that folk shout abuse at players for making mistakes, when not a single one of them would last 2 minutes playing on a pitch.

Why shout abuse at someone for not doing something perfectly, that you can't even do at all? Nout weird as folk...

[Steven79]

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I've always found it odd that folk shout abuse at players for making mistakes, when not a single one of them would last 2 minutes playing on a pitch.

Why shout abuse at someone for not doing something perfectly, that you can't even do at all? Nout weird as folk...

No more grief for refs or managers then...

[hibee316]

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No more grief for refs or managers then...

Would be nice.

I don't see anything wrong in challenging the norms that it is okay to shout abuse at other people.

Can I ask the folk who have slated this thread why they think it is okay to hurl abuse at someone for not kicking a bit of leather the way they like it?

Do you hurl abuse in a restaurant when your meal isn't how you like it?

Do you hurl abuse at a co-workee when they don't complete a task properly?

Are you telling me you are incapable of creating atmosphere without hurling abuse?

[MikeyS]

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Would be nice.

I don't see anything wrong in challenging the norms that it is okay to shout abuse at other people.

Can I ask the folk who have slated this thread why they think it is okay to hurl abuse at someone for not kicking a bit of leather the way they like it?

Do you hurl abuse in a restaurant when your meal isn't how you like it?

Do you hurl abuse at a co-workee when they don't complete a task properly?

Are you telling me you are incapable of creating atmosphere without hurling abuse?

Hopefully no one is hurling abuse in those scenarios bit I can certainly see the difference in those settings to inside an atmospheric and sometimes volatile football stadium. I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

[Hibby Bairn]

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Hopefully no one is hurling abuse in those scenarios bit I can certainly see the difference in those settings to inside an atmospheric and sometimes volatile football stadium. I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

Does it happen in Basketball, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Ice Hockey etc.

It seems to be a football thing. But I've been to games in other countries where it doesn't seem to happen.

[hibee316]

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I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

Work places can be incredibly tense, but even in the most stressful meetings if someone started shouting horrible stuff at you at the top of their lungs, plenty people would tell them to calm it.

Why is the football different?

[HendoDelivered]

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