New Hibs LGBTQ+ Supporters Group

[1 8 7 5]

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"As a group".

And yes, all white hetro men have lived a life of not being discriminated against or disadvantaged because of having those traits.

your just been silly radge.

[Pretty Boy]

The same arguments always appear when this topic comes up.

'White privilege' doesn't mean that all white people are inherently privileged. It means that in our culture they haven't been disadvantaged solely on the basis of the colour of their skin.

I don't think it's a stretch to extend that to white, straight and male. I have friends who don't fit any or all of those criteria and, whilst we have all dealt with disadvantages in our life, I haven't faced the struggles they have based on 1 or more of the descriptors above.

[SRHibs]

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The same arguments always appear when this topic comes up.

'White privilege' doesn't mean that all white people are inherently privileged. It means that in our culture they haven't been disadvantaged solely on the basis of the colour of their skin.

I don't think it's a stretch to extend that to white, straight and male. I have friends who don't fit any or all of those criteria and, whilst we have all dealt with disadvantages in our life, I haven't faced the struggles they have based on 1 or more of the descriptors above.

There's definitely a pretty widespread belief that all white people should hold some amount of guilt when it comes to their privileged position in society.

[SlickShoes]

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There's definitely a pretty widespread belief that all white people should hold some amount of guilt when it comes to their privileged position in society.

There isn't, I don't feel any guilt for my ancestors actions, but I can acknowledge they happened and not sweep the history of it all under the rug.

If you feel guilt then that's on you to work out why you are feeling that.

[Wee Effen Bee]

Just to remind everyone, the terminology, ‘white privilege’, does not mean every single white person is privileged. Please read up on the subject and the need to highlight the message - it is very interesting.
Or you can just go onto social media and display your ignorance for all to see - as many have. Mind you, many homophobes have just gone straight for the, “I don’t like gay people” arguments without actually realising it. So glad this board is overwhelmingly in support for a Hibs LGBT+ group.

[SRHibs]

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There isn't, I don't feel any guilt for my ancestors actions, but I can acknowledge they happened and not sweep the history of it all under the rug.

If you feel guilt then that's on you to work out why you are feeling that.

I don't feel any guilt whatsoever.

[The 90+2]

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You should start a campaign or something. Won’t somebody think of the guy who’s just realised he’s not been discriminated against due to his gender, ethnicity or sexuality?

It happens every day in defence to everything.

Probably worse if your ginger or catholic. That’s an open goal for everyone.

If you’re a straight white male you can be called and accused of anything and it sticks. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

[WhileTheChief..]

WooHoo!! A group I can join at last!!!

I won't though. I've never felt unsafe or threatened at the football and it won't make me feel any closer to the club.

I've never felt that i'm in a minority group because of my sexuality.

[The 90+2]

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WooHoo!! A group I can join at last!!!

I won't though. I've never felt unsafe or threatened at the football and it won't make me feel any closer to the club.

I've never felt that i'm in a minority group because of my sexuality.

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[WeeRussell]

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Happy to see the club affirming our inclusive and progressive outlook with the forming of a Hibs LGBTQ+ Supporters Group. Well done to KP who looks to have had a role in this. Unfortunately, the Facebook response reads like it was taken from the 1970s and I now understand why the team don't kneel before teh game as it appears our support is far less progressive than I would have hoped, at least going by Facebook

I totally agree with most of what you say Wookie. Although I’d like to think (perhaps wrongly) that our not taking the knee is more a choice of the club/players in that they want to make a stronger statement by changing it up now, as opposed to a reflection on a few ar8ehole ‘supporters’ on Facebook.

This thread will be a far better reflection than the usual tripe you get on social media (said it before and I’ll say it again, I haven’t missed Twitter and Facebook since binning them a year ago). Having said that, it only takes one or two posters to turn this into the inevitable unfortunate squabble and closure of thread so I think I’ll keep out 👍

[Hibernia&Alba]

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This is a great initiative.

As an aside, this fad of middle class students and millennials calling straight white males "privileged" is so tired. These people unironically believe that they hold less privilege than a white man who's been brought up in a run down council estate.

Whilst racism, sexism, and bigotry exist as problems in our society, it feels like they're being made out to be far bigger issues than they actually are, while beginning to ignore the enormous class divide that has always existed in the UK.

Falling social mobility and ever widening inequality is definitely a worsening problem. Enormous concentrations of wealth and power are incompatible with a functioning democracy. The problem is you can't mention class analysis unless it's trite phrases about 'champagne socialists' issued from the right. Discussing class inequality seriously and from the left is 'Marxist' and 'takes Britain back to the 1970s' . In other words, don't talk about it, otherwise the right wing media will start the character assassination.

[Pilrig_Sauzee]

Proud to see the club doing this. Clearly on a level, we are all the same and equal and have Hibs as are common ground, but some people’s experience of the world makes them think a football stadium is not for them. I can understand why but think it’s a much better environment than the past (far from perfect but better) So we do this to hopefully convince them it’s not true. Maybe in 10 years time we can also celebrate the scrapping of such a group because it’s seen as a unnecessary.

[Hibbyradge]

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your just been silly radge.

Good argument. Very persuasive.

[Keith_M]

This thread has deteriorated really badly.

[Diclonius]

Great idea Hibs, liking the flag on the big screen too.

[cameronw-hfc]

For anyone not seeing the point in this, In straight myself, but as some of you know through the Mueller article I write and run a dept of football writers. The other Co-Head of the Dept is gay, and I've witnessed now first-hand the trouble he has just tweeting about football. As he's got the flag in his name, almost every post is followed with homophobic abuse through dms or direct comments on his posts.

Half of the time he's just posting his own writing, on his own Twitter, and gets 5/6 homophobic comments every time.

FYI- he's got under 1k followers so I can only imagine how bad it would be for larger writers/personalities in the game. Part of the reasons it's essential and not just a good initiative.

[WeeRussell]

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For anyone not seeing the point in this, In straight myself, but as some of you know through the Mueller article I write and run a dept of football writers. The other Co-Head of the Dept is gay, and I've witnessed now first-hand the trouble he has just tweeting about football. As he's got the flag in his name, almost every post is followed with homophobic abuse through dms or direct comments on his posts.

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Half of the time he's just posting his own writing, on his own Twitter, and gets 5/6 homophobic comments every time.

FYI- he's got under 1k followers so I can only imagine how bad it would be for larger writers/personalities in the game. Part of the reasons it's essential and not just a good initiative.

Good post Cameron. I only hope things like this actually do something to help the situation (things have definitely taken a big step in the right direction but it's really quite sad that anyone receives any sort of homophobic abuse like that in 2021).

As a somewhat cheeky aside - if you have any advice on how someone like me would make the move into sports/entertainment writing I'd be interested to hear it. I've done a fair bit of copywriting and writing on behalf of CEOs etc in my current job and it's something I quite enjoy.. but would rather not be writing about insurance

I guess having not studied or worked in journalism as a youngster means a change would take a while and I'll need to build-up a decent portfolio in my own time, particularly if I want to match my current marketing earnings.

[Percy Vere]

I think this is a fantastic initiative. Not to say that other fan groups are not welcoming but to champion gay rights in connection to Hibs and the wider football context is heartening.
Perhaps a step toward a more inclusive Football environment where players will feel safe to be open about their sexuality.
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[Jay]

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I think this is a fantastic initiative. Not to say that other fan groups are not welcoming but to champion gay rights in connection to Hibs and the wider football context is heartening.
Perhaps a step toward a more inclusive Football environment where players will feel safe to be open about their sexuality.
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Absolutely. We need to move to a time where you don't need to announce your sexuality but nor do you need to hide it.

I brought my kids up saying they never needed the horrible coming out conversation. I was there for support and guidance if they needed it but to bring home whoever they wanted and they'd be accepted in our home.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Absolutely. We need to move to a time where you don't need to announce your sexuality but nor do you need to hide it.

I brought my kids up saying they never needed the horrible coming out conversation. I was there for support and guidance if they needed it but to bring home whoever they wanted and they'd be accepted in our home.

Perfect post.

[Keith_M]

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Absolutely. We need to move to a time where you don't need to announce your sexuality but nor do you need to hide it.

I brought my kids up saying they never needed the horrible coming out conversation. I was there for support and guidance if they needed it but to bring home whoever they wanted and they'd be accepted in our home.

I made it clear to mine they weren't allowed to go out with a Hearts Fan but that anybody else was OK.

So I'm nearly as open minded as you.

[1 8 7 5]

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Good argument. Very persuasive.

Thats the thing. I wasnt having an argument.

Perhaps you were looking for one? If so, thats on you.

[1 8 7 5]

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I made it clear to mine they weren't allowed to go out with a Hearts Fan but that anybody else was OK.

So I'm nearly as open minded as you.

This is my tolerence level with my sons too . That is an immovable line

[Keith_M]

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This is my tolerence level with my sons too . That is an immovable line

I think it's fair enough.

[Jay]

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I made it clear to mine they weren't allowed to go out with a Hearts Fan but that anybody else was OK.

So I'm nearly as open minded as you.

Imo accepting your child is gay isn't being open minded it's just normal.

[The 90+2]

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Imo accepting your child is gay isn't being open minded it's just normal.

As long as my children are happy I’m happy. Unless it’s a jambo.

[McD]

Good on the club for seeking to be inclusive and welcoming

i don’t believe it’s for me to say whether or not it’s right or a success to form this group, as I am not part of its demographic, it’s for the LGBTQ community to do so, as it would for any other minority group, and I hope the club have spoken with them about how to best support them (rather than assuming), which I’m sure they have.

what is for me to say is that they all will have my utmost support in whatever they feel is right for them to feel every bit a part of our (mine, theirs and yours) club

[WeeRussell]

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Good on the club for seeking to be inclusive and welcoming

i don’t believe it’s for me to say whether or not it’s right or a success to form this group, as I am not part of its demographic, it’s for the LGBTQ community to do so, as it would for any other minority group, and I hope the club have spoken with them about how to best support them (rather than assuming), which I’m sure they have.

what is for me to say is that they all will have my utmost support in whatever they feel is right for them to feel every bit a part of our (mine, theirs and yours) club

Good post and completely agree with every word.

[superfurryhibby]

Perhaps our club could show their solidarity with a rainbow type goalie top? Not for every game, perhaps. I'm sure it would be welcomed by LGBT+ groups and generate some interesting publicity?

[Percy Vere]

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Absolutely. We need to move to a time where you don't need to announce your sexuality but nor do you need to hide it.

I brought my kids up saying they never needed the horrible coming out conversation. I was there for support and guidance if they needed it but to bring home whoever they wanted and they'd be accepted in our home.

Absolutely right. Too many of my daughters friends have been shunned by parents, rejecting their sexuality and lifestyle choices. It’s heart breaking.
Anything that moves things forward has to be applauded.