Doidge red card appealed

**Sir David Gray** · 25-11-2021 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by WeeRussell

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Nah - no games added for losing appeal.

If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

**Sir David Gray** · 25-11-2021 10:50 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVF...b_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it, see what you think.

I've seen it several times now and I still think it's a red card.

***Brightside*** · 25-11-2021 10:54 PM

Not a chance it will be pulled. I hope he doesn’t get more for appealing. We need him playing.

**hibbysam** · 26-11-2021 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

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If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

Don’t think it’s ever happened.

**Sir David Gray** · 26-11-2021 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by hibbysam

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Don’t think it’s ever happened.

I can't think of an example either to be honest, just thought I'd point out that the rule does exist.

***Moulin Yarns*** · 26-11-2021 10:25 AM

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Aberdeen never appealed, they were advised that they had no grounds to appeal as there was no mistaken identity, which would have meant they would need to put forward the correct player.

Maybe not aformal appeal, but they did try to have it overturned on the grounds that the referee was a twat!

Aberdeen held talks with the governing body in an attempt to have it overturned but FIFA rules only allow a yellow card to be rescinded for cases of mistaken identity or simulation, so Ojo is now banned for Sunday’s clash with Celtic.

**Greenbeard** · 26-11-2021 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by CMurdoch

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVF...b_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

Nah. In real time first view I did think it was him being off balance and falling backwards, but the replays clearly show a voluntary straightening of the leg into the RC player. No need. It is deliberate action with intent and rightly red.

***Golden Bear*** · 26-11-2021 10:47 AM

I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!

**007** · 26-11-2021 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by CMurdoch

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVF...b_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

I don't think it will be overturned but I presume our case will centre on him being off balance and also the Ross County player's hands were on his leg so they might say he was trying to shake him off. However it's not as if the guy has a grip on him so I think our case won't be strong enough to prove the ref has made a blatant error. Don't know if the player's character comes into it but violent conduct is totally against Doidge's character.

***Carheenlea*** · 26-11-2021 11:26 AM

Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which went unpunished compared to Doidge’’s tangle.

**~~90274~~** · 26-11-2021 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Carheenlea

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Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which than Doidge’’s tangle.

Correct, the boys tackle on Cadden was a shocker.

**CMurdoch** · 26-11-2021 11:47 AM

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I don't think it will be overturned but I presume our case will centre on him being off balance and also the Ross County player's hands were on his leg so they might say he was trying to shake him off. However it's not as if the guy has a grip on him so I think our case won't be strong enough to prove the ref has made a blatant error. Don't know if the player's character comes into it but violent conduct is totally against Doidge's character.

They tend to be very prescriptive hence even in the most extreme cases of unfairness such as the Ojo yellow card they couldn't do the right thing and resind it.
Doidge was sent off for 2 yellows in a game last season so not going in with a blank sheet.
As I said this incident looked like a red card for violent conduct but when you look at all the circumstances it isn't so straight forward, however, as you say the appeal is unlikely to be successful unless a wordsmith argues his case.

**Roxyhibee** · 26-11-2021 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by CMurdoch

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzVF...b_channel=SPFL

I have a sympathy for Doidge on this one.
He is not expecting the defenders presence as he turns.
Look at his body position at 3:01 in the above clip.
Both feet are off the ground and he is leaning back and the defenders body movement is forward.
I think Hibs will be arguing some sort of natural body mechanics defence i.e. with both feet off the ground and leaning back his body naturally and involuntarily kicks out in an attempt to gain traction as it feels it is falling backwards.
Watch it and see what you think.

Agree with some important points you’re making on this - his standing leg is definitely in an unusually vulnerable position, especially given the immediate proximity and movement of the opponent and i think he feels under a bit threat because of that, particularly after a spell out with an injury. But I think it’s the clear force of the high loose one going into the player that’s going to make the appeal unsuccessful.

But you never know - I stopped trying to second guess the inner workings of the minds of our footballing ‘authorities’ many years ago.

**Sir David Gray** · 26-11-2021 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Carheenlea

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Reckon there’s an outside chance of this appeal being successful. Yellow card was about right for the “crime”. There were about three more dangerous tackles/flying arms which went unpunished compared to Doidge’’s tangle.

I'm not sure other tackles in the game will be used as a measurement for whether the appeal will be successful or not.

The incident will be judged in its own right, as it should be, and if we take the green specs off it's definitely in red card territory.

I'd be astonished if the appeal is successful.

Inconsequential · 26-11-2021 01:23 PM

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I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!

He would survive though as the Hibsnet firing squad are poor shots. Bit early in the morn too.

***Carheenlea*** · 26-11-2021 01:26 PM

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I'm not sure other tackles in the game will be used as a measurement for whether the appeal will be successful or not.

The incident will be judged in its own right, as it should be, and if we take the green specs off it's definitely in red card territory.

I'd be astonished if the appeal is successful.

Subjective of course, and the only opinion that matters really is that of the panel. Quietly hopeful!

**SMAXXA** · 26-11-2021 01:34 PM

Appeal will be held tonight so will know either way ahead of tomorrow

**WeeRussell** · 26-11-2021 03:31 PM

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If it's deemed to have been a frivolous appeal the ban can be increased by one game.

I'd say it's unlikely to happen though.

Apologies for my misinformation - serves me right for believing the “it’s just a grand each time”.

In that case we’d deserve to get an extra game for appealing that…(not that it’ll happen obviously)

**WeeRussell** · 26-11-2021 03:36 PM

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I'm glad Christian is not scheduled to appear in front of the Hibs Net judiciary panel otherwise he'd be shot at dawn!

Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.

***RMQ1967*** · 26-11-2021 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by WeeRussell

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Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.

Agreed - it was daft unfortunately. No chance it will be overturned:(

**Onceinawhile** · 26-11-2021 04:50 PM

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Appeal will be held tonight so will know either way ahead of tomorrow

Mad how quick they can hear an appeal when it's us.

When it's another team it can take weeks.

***wookie70*** · 26-11-2021 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by WeeRussell

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Or a few people are able to look at the challenge objectively, like grown ups, and see there’s absolutely no argument against the red card, and therefore just say that rather than pretending otherwise because it’s hibs and a player we like.

It’s worse every time I see the replay.. he’s actually raked his studs down the boy after extending his leg.

If that had been Morelos (or any non hibs player for that matter) we’d be going absolutely radge about it.

It won’t be changed. It shouldn’t have been appealed. It was stupid from Doidge. Time to move on and accept it.

If it was Moreles he would have been booked so he couldn't have got a retrospective red. I think that is something we could cite in our favour pointing to previous incidents that were given as yellow. We could probably spend an hour just on Morelos

**WeeRussell** · 26-11-2021 05:23 PM

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If it was Moreles he would have been booked so he couldn't have got a retrospective red. I think that is something we could cite in our favour pointing to previous incidents that were given as yellow. We could probably spend an hour just on Morelos

I can’t think that pointing to challenges by other players that should have been reds but weren’t, will help Doidge get off with with a red that was rightly given, but we’ll see.

Personally think there’s absolutely zero chance of getting the red overturned regardless of how we pitch it, and rightly so, but again we will see.

***h185forever*** · 26-11-2021 05:50 PM

Appeal rejected

**hibbysam** · 26-11-2021 05:51 PM

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Maybe not aformal appeal, but they did try to have it overturned on the grounds that the referee was a twat!

They were basically told from the offset that they stood no chance based on the rules. Broadfoot explained the process well on one of this weeks sportsound shows.

Doidge appeal unsuccessful.

***lord bunberry*** · 26-11-2021 05:52 PM

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Appeal rejected

No surprise there. They’d have been as well standing outside the ticket office and handing the first fan that went past a grand.

**Borderhibbie76** · 26-11-2021 06:22 PM

Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh

***Eyrie*** · 26-11-2021 06:27 PM

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Appeal rejected

Doesn't surprise me.

Originally Posted by Borderhibbie76

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Literally no idea why we appealed this tbh

Because in normal circumstances the hearing wouldn't have been organised so quickly, and we've have had Doidge available tomorrow when Boyle is out, then suspended once Boyle is back.