I agree with most of that, but I think he just got lucky at the start. He didn't change anything but I think the team just got a collective boot up the erchie when Lennon was sacked/wasn't sacked.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There was no point in his time at Hibs that I thought he was the real deal. That might be more about me than him, but I'm usually as defensive as f*** about Hibs players and managers and Heckingbottom was the first I had no time for.
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28-11-2021 09:58 PM #61
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29-11-2021 08:30 AM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I completely agree with you.
Initial results were good but I wasn’t at all convinced by him. His public comments about getting ‘bits and pieces’ of information into the players came across as arrogant to me, as if here was this super coach come to show Scottish football how it’s done.
Then we had the calamitous summer transfer window, where he made a load of changes to the squad and left us horribly unbalanced. I remember the St Johnstone home game early that season which ended in a draw somehow despite us looking utterly clueless and lacking any kind of shape.
He was the wrong appointment and the wrong fit for the club. No particular shame in that - it happens with players and coaches - but we needed to fix that mistake ASAP.
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29-11-2021 08:44 AM #63
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I think he didn't understand the game up here enough and respect the need to sign players who know the league rather than think English League one and Championship players will be good enough in this league.
It just didn't work out for him, he seemed an ambitious and determined guy, he didn't upset anyone just had a poor run of results.
Who knows, had he signed experienced SPFL Premiership players, he might still be here. Who knows.
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29-11-2021 10:32 AM #64
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29-11-2021 10:33 AM #65
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29-11-2021 10:48 AM #66
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We were though, as you say, left high and dry when they both left and Ojo backed out on the move and went to Aberdeen. Hibs expected him to keep to the verbal agreement and let Milligan and Bartley go as a result .
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29-11-2021 10:57 AM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-11-2021 11:10 AM #68This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I actually rated both of those players. Certainly not up there with the McGinn, McGeouch, Fyvie midfield and I’d say they’re not as good as our current first choice 3 - but they were both first picks for that guff period between these 2 teams.
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29-11-2021 11:34 AM #69
Does Heckimgbottom get a bit of an unfair deal in how he is viewed? I’ll caveat that I think he was probably the wrong man to appoint and it was probably right to part ways when we did.
He seems to get the blame for that summers recruitment in not replacing Bartley or Milligan. Was he let down by the recruitment team in the same way Ross was? Should he be accorded some of the same mitigation for the struggles he faced with an imbalanced squad?
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29-11-2021 11:37 AM #70This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-11-2021 11:44 AM #71
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29-11-2021 12:15 PM #74
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Overall though he proved too stubborn to make changes that we all knew were needed - persisting with the lone striker etc. - so he paid the price.
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29-11-2021 12:18 PM #75This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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29-11-2021 12:32 PM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
United we stand here....
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29-11-2021 01:08 PM #77
We were simply a pay cheque to him.
He didn't give a toss for Hibs. He knew he would get 3 years' salary without even having to try.
Was probably delighted when he got sacked as he got back down south with the cash sooner than expected.
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29-11-2021 01:42 PM #78
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29-11-2021 01:59 PM #79
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29-11-2021 02:56 PM #80This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Mourinho has made hundreds of millions being an excellent football manager.
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29-11-2021 03:23 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The sizes of the payoffs appear disproportionate at times but they are sums agreed to mitigate massive job insecurity in an industry that in some places is awash with cash.
No manager wants to fail and whilst I’m sure a handsome payoff must be nice, I always think it must be quite damaging to the pride of a confident person to fail publicly.
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29-11-2021 04:41 PM #82
There will have been plenty of managers out there that knew they would be out of their depth or that they couldn't do the job they're going for.
That won't put them off applying for these jobs though.
What did PH have to lose? He was out of work and all of a sudden he's guaranteed 3 years' salary whether successful or not.
He took us for a ride and left with a hefty pay off no doubt.
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29-11-2021 04:50 PM #83
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29-11-2021 05:10 PM #84
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He’s clearly well thought of in the game . You don’t get the coaching gig at Sheffield United without that.
He needs to prove that he can get results with a team over a sustained period . So I can accept he is far from a proven head coach . But your narrative that he is useless, and knows that, and doesn’t care about his performance - is so far away from reality that it is 100 percent baseless …
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29-11-2021 05:20 PM #85
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A failure at Hibs isn't something anyone wants on their CV.
Heckingbottom was a highly thought of coach down South prior to coming to us. Was he really going to deliberately risk that reputation just to steal 3 years worth of a wage out of Hibs, wages probably inferior to those that a decent coach would be paid in England?
He has done very well to win this opportunity so soon after being sacked by us tbh.
It didn't work out for him here, I'm not questioning that but i think you're being really harsh on a guy who did his best.
At worst he was probably guilty of a bit of hubris - thinking he'd come up here and piss it only to find it tougher than he expected.
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29-11-2021 06:46 PM #87
Got lucky at the start and a decent run - think the wheels started to come off in the split fixture
Was confirmed in the league cup in his first full season - I think it was abroath away it was on telly, hibs looked absolutely hopeless. I remember thinking I hope this isn’t a red flag.
Newell was left wing. Couple of other players looked totally alien to Scottish football.
Unsurprising things didn’t get much better and the first game of the season an Allan winner in a very huff and puff game hung on for the win
The next game was the big eye opener
6-1 thumping at ibrox
Inevitable and another Englishman came up thinking he could conquer the Scottish game.
He will do well to last a year at Sheffield United
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29-11-2021 06:50 PM #88This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
but i highlighted the part where you said the fans liked his coaching, they/we/i didn't....hence he got the bullet after just 16 games nothing to do with his nickname :)
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29-11-2021 07:46 PM #89This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I just didn’t take to him from his interview on day 1 and it never got any better.
He just seemed completely uninterested, same as Calderwood.
Compare that to Stubbs, Lennon or Ross. They all seemed genuinely delighted and privileged to be our boss. That’s what I like to see.
PH might have been a lovely bloke and a brilliant coach but he had no place applying for, or taking, the Hibs job.
He was even quoted as saying he wasn’t sure if he wanted to be a manager. Well, I want someone who will bust a gut to have our top job, not someone who just fells meh about it.
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29-11-2021 08:06 PM #90
You get manager and coaches that players like but who for whatever reason can't get a tune out the team on the park.
A lot of Hibs players at the time loved Calderwoods training sessions. Hard work and varied. Same with Heckingbottom, the players enjoyed his training and praised his tactical knowledge and feedback using data provided. However neither could convert that to on field performance. In the case of the latter I always though the teams he set out looked overcoached. There was no room for self expression, everyone and everything seemed very rigid and formulaic.
I'm interested to see how Heckingbottom does at Sheffield United. As a permanent manager he's only managed a win percentage above 30% once (ironically enough at Hibs) so I'm sceptical he will be a roaring success. Time will tell.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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