What you take to a semi final has no bearing on what you take to a Final . Every final should start with a 50/50 split. If any club decides they could not sell the allocation for the Final their allocation is reduced. Not really a difficult concept to comprehendThis quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 05:49 PM #61
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23-11-2021 05:50 PM #62This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 05:50 PM #63This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
TBH that has the potential to be epic, for those who cannot get a ticket for Hampden for whatever reason...
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23-11-2021 05:52 PM #64This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 05:55 PM #65This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I can only remember 1 semi at Hampden in last 20 years with us taking less than 10k. That was midweek game against Huns in 2004. Not sure where you get 'most' from.
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23-11-2021 06:05 PM #66This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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23-11-2021 06:58 PM #67This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 07:08 PM #69
[QUOTE=Smartie;6755929]I have no doubt that they'll want as even a split of fans as possible and after we sell out our initial allocation very quickly, we'll soon find ourselves being given half the groundp.
But this has not clearly been said anywhere. I'm sure we would all be happy if they say 17.5k to start with, with up to 50% allocated should we sell out the initial allocation.
But they have been ambiguous at best as to what any 'further' allocation we MAY get.
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23-11-2021 07:13 PM #70
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You can see by looking at that link and what has been given to each club that it's clear the only section that will be available for Hibs fans is section N in the upper.
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23-11-2021 07:36 PM #71This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 07:53 PM #72
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Can we realistically get 50 percent of the stadium with what we have been allocated plus the potential area we get after we sell?
I'm guessing the answer is no.
If the answer is no, then it's a crock of *****.
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23-11-2021 07:57 PM #73
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They will get all the North over what we will get.
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23-11-2021 09:06 PM #74
So I got the same bog standard reply from Doncaster as everyone else so I replied with this. Won't help but made me feel a wee but better
Neil
Thanks for taking the time to copy and paste my name into the standard reply you have been giving every Hibs supporter who has contacted you.
You have not answered any of my questions. I asked why you thought it was OK to give another advantage to a team who, at a neutral venue, already have their own end given to them regardless of who they play and their own dressing room regardless of who they play. If you want to try to keep up the pretence of Hampden being neutral the only thing you can do is to have an even split of tickets for clubs who would sell out for a final.
You mention that it is based on semi final tickets and also mention the other finals Hibs have been in but this is disingenuous. The finals you quote had allocations agreed by BOTH clubs and itvwasnt a case of both asking for 50/50. Also finals have never been based on this in the past and regardless of who celtic or indeed rangers were to play in a final they will never be able to satisfy their season ticket fan base as Hampden just isn't big enough to cope. So no matter how you cut it there will always be celtic fans who want to go that can't and that will still be the case this time. What you have done is deliberately disadvantage Hibs fans who would attend a final, as history shows Hibs fans will turn up in big numbers for a final, to pander once again to one of the old firm clubs.
Your job is to look after the interests of ALL clubs but time after time the two Glasgow clubs seem to be the ones who get the decisions in their favour.
You also mention that this is the initial allocation and clubs may get more. I can't see how with the Hampden set up Hibs could get many more than the 17500, unless of course you mean that you are prepared to offer more to celtic if Hibs haven't sold all 17500 by a certain date. Clarification on this would be much appreciated.
I would hope that you would understand the anger that this decision has caused amongst Hibs fans, and with other non old firm fans as they can all see where this precedent leads us to in future, but to be honest I don't think you will which for someone tasked with leading our game is pretty disappointing
Regards
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23-11-2021 09:19 PM #75
I sent this a lot earlier today but no reply
I have seen a response you have given which is an absolute disgrace
You are in charge of an organisation that has no sense of sporting integrity. You should hang your heads in shame.
Semi final sales should have no impact on the tickets offered for a final, you are pandering to Celtic and if you had any balls you would admit it.
I am sure your sponsors will love all the negative publicity they and your organisation will get over the next month
Let's hope the clubs and fans of other clubs who you are meant to represent start rising up against this pathetic decision.
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23-11-2021 09:24 PM #76This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-11-2021 09:36 PM #77
Can't remember who posted Doncaster's email address on here, but that was an excellent idea.
So many very good emails to him, many refuting his daft and trite responses.
I actually think he or his press officer have made a huge mistake with these emails today.
Even if it doesn't result in a change of allocation, at the very least I hope it makes him see sense for the next time.
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23-11-2021 09:40 PM #78This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Neil Doncaster can sound as reasonable as he likes but he knows it's total bs. Where is the downside of not starting 50/50, unless its a rigged game? If the game's rigged it's fn stupid making it clear.
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23-11-2021 09:45 PM #79
Sent the following earlier tonight. Hoping the fact that I have pre-empted the standard template response may mean I get something more substantial but doubt it.
Dear Mr Doncaster
I am a Hibernian fan and I am contacting you with regards to your organisation's decision to provide an unfair distribution of tickets in favour of Celtic FC for the forthcoming Premier Sports Cup final on 19th December 2021.
I understand you have already been contacted by some of my fellow Hibernian fans and also by the club itself on this issue, unfortunately to no avail, so I do not expect you will change your decision.*
However I feel that this matter is of so much importance and a question of sporting integrity that I feel it is vital that I place on record my complete dissatisfaction with regards to this matter.
From speaking to other Hibs fans who have already contacted you and received a reply, I understand your justification for making this decision is based on the limited segregation options within Hampden Park and historical ticket sales for semi finals and finals.
On the first point regarding limited segregation, this has never been an issue on previous occasions when Hibs have been given (and successfully sold) an equal split of tickets for cup finals at Hampden and I do not understand how this can be used as justification to discriminate against one club and not the other. If there are concerns around segregation then surely there should be restrictions in place for fans of both teams.
On another point regarding segregation, I am assuming that you will be aware of the incidents on Sunday which resulted in Hibs fans in the south stand lower being assaulted by missles (in particular glass bottles) which were thrown by Rangers fans who were sitting directly above the Hibs fans in the south stand upper. Fortunately I do not believe anyone was seriously injured but I am sure you will appreciate that this will have been an extremely frightening experience for those who were in the vicinity of the area where the missiles landed. Having one set of fans sitting directly above the opposition's fans is completely unacceptable and hopefully will not be repeated for the final and we won't have Celtic fans sitting above Hibs fans.
With regards to the decision being based on historical ticket sales for semi finals and finals, I cannot understand what relevance semi final attendances have on ticket allocations for a final. Finals almost always attract larger audiences (both in person and on TV), they are a showpiece event and Hibs have recent history in easily selling more than 20,000 tickets for cup finals.
In the replies I have seen from you to other fans, you even refer to the fact that Hibs managed to take much more than that the last time we got to the League Cup final in 2016. This was also the case in 2004 and 2007 in the League Cup and in 2012, 2013 and 2016 for the Scottish Cup.*
The other point I have seen in your reply has been regarding this not being the first time that there has been an unequal allocation of tickets for a cup final as Ross County only received an initial allocation of 7,000 for that match. I feel this is completely irrelevant to the question of why Hibs are not receiving an equal share of tickets for next month's match. Unlike Hibs, Ross County do not have the fanbase which allows them to sell over 20,000 tickets, even for a cup final.
I feel that this decision is extremely unfair and totally unjustified. I understand the desire to have a full stadium for a cup final but if there had been any doubt surrounding Hibs' ability to sell more than 20,000 tickets for this match, why could there not have been an arrangement put in place which meant that Hibs had to sell so many tickets by a certain date or the rest get passed to Celtic? This could surely have been achieved whilst still maintaining segregation.
I feel that it is a matter of great regret that as the administrators of Scottish football you have failed in your duties to uphold the basic principle of sporting integrity and I believe it is bad enough that fans of Celtic (and Rangers) are allowed to get their own end in a supposedly neutral national stadium (a situation which would be hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculously absurd) without also getting an unfair advantage with regards to ticket allocations for a cup final.
I look forward to hearing from you.
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23-11-2021 10:29 PM #80
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I don’t think Doncaster’s response was that ridiculous in terms of his explanation and wording, considering it’s him. And it’s hardly a surprise if he’s sending the same response to hundreds of hibs fans going radge about the same topic.
Having said that - I DO think it’s ridiculous if ANY cup final has the potential to not at least give a chance of a 50/50 split. It’s meant to be a neutral venue. It should be the same when we play Ross county, St Johnstone etc.. both clubs should have the same chance at the same time to have their fair share of support there.
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23-11-2021 11:41 PM #81This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They are acting like they are the old firms whores.
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23-11-2021 11:53 PM #82This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I thought it would have been the case that they'd have gone on the basis of giving Celtic half the North Stand and we'd get the other half if we sold enough tickets in the West and South. That in itself would be less than ideal as the North Stand tickets are more desirable but at least there would be a pathway towards a 50/50 split at a cup final, which would be reasonable.
This is actually pish, so I take back what I said earlier about it appearing reasonable.
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24-11-2021 12:28 AM #83This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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24-11-2021 06:35 AM #85This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That's surely not a difficult thing to organise.
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24-11-2021 06:49 AM #86This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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24-11-2021 07:00 AM #87This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Exactly. It’s not a level playing field.
A long history of the Old Firm having a bigger backing at Hampden finals has led to the SPFL now thinking that Celtc are entitled to more tickets, and they don’t even register that as an issue.
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24-11-2021 07:16 AM #88
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Well played to all that have emailed Neil Doncaster over the past day or so. Some more than reasonable, well articulated concerns raised
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24-11-2021 09:46 AM #89
I have sent the following to all my MSPs and the Sports Minister in the hope it will be raised in Parliament.
I am writing to you as my local MSP.
If you have been reading the sports pages this week you will probably be aware that there is some concern being voiced by Hibernian Football Club and its supporters about the decision by the Scottish Professional Footbal League (SPFL) to allocate more tickets to Celtic supporters for the forthcoming Premier Sports League Cup Final at Hampden Park in Glasgow. In all previous cup finals, both League Cup and Scottish Cup it has been the case that the officials from the SPFL and the clubs involved agree on the allocations, some clubs with smaller fanbase will accept a smaller allocation but in all recent finals the Hibernian has been invloved in they have alwas taken at least 50% of the available tickets.
The SPFL cite the larger number of season ticket holders that Celtic have as the rationale, however that being the case will they give Rangers a lower allocation the next time the play Celtic in a League Cup Final as they have around 8,000 less season ticket holders than Celtic.
I realise this may not be imortant in the grand scheme of things but in the terms of fairness and sporting integrity I think it is something that needs to be addressed as I see this as the thin end of the wedge that will allow the SPFL to reduce the allocations for all Scottish football clubs with the exception of Cetic and Rangers.
Many thanks for your attention.There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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24-11-2021 10:28 AM #90This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
First reply.
I will have a look at this as not sure there is much I can do as a politician but I will check.
I agree with the point re season tickets as your season ticket is only for the home league games. I should say I have a season ticket for Kelty Hearts and even at home cup games we have to pay and one of my sisters has one for Celtic and the same rules apply.
There is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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