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    He's fourth best yes but he should be higher. Your stat only really highlights how poor we've been previously.

    Marked improvement is necessary as investment grows.
    The investment didn’t come all at once and expectations should rightfully increase but also in a realistic way.
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    He's fourth best yes but he should be higher. Your stat only really highlights how poor we've been previously.

    Marked improvement is necessary as investment grows.
    Pretty much where I’m at. Investment has grown, ambitions are publicly higher than our average historical performance so it stands to reason the least we should be expecting is for our manager to have a home record that is better than most.

    The question for me is whether it’s good enough in terms of how much better it is. 42% of home league games won when roughly 47% of the games come against bottom 6 teams can and should be improved on imo. If it does then I’m sure we’ll start to get some of the fans that are staying away back and we’ll stand a great chance of finishing third again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew70 View Post
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    He's fourth best yes but he should be higher. Your stat only really highlights how poor we've been previously.

    Marked improvement is necessary as investment grows.
    Yes, I agree. We should be looking forward not backwards to the past where we have been perennial under-achievers.

    It's time for us to get the home sorted out (well Jack Ross) and deliver performances that match the resources the club now has.

    It's not a case of fine margins, it's a case of delivering for Jack Ross or I think Ron will look to someone who can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    The investment didn’t come all at once and expectations should rightfully increase but also in a realistic way.
    What would/should realistic be?

    Minimum top four, cup success and europe.

    Sounds simple but so many variables as with any football team but to grow we've got to be expecting better than 14/33 home wins. Match last season's away tally and improve home form then we'll be flying high as we should be.

    Time will tell but at the minute we are fighting below our weight imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew70 View Post
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    What would/should realistic be?

    Minimum top four, cup success and europe.

    Sounds simple but so many variables as with any football team but to grow we've got to be expecting better than 14/33 home wins. Match last season's away tally and improve home form then we'll be flying high as we should be.

    Time will tell but at the minute we are fighting below our weight imo
    Season on season improvement. The club (IIRC) target minimum top 4 and semi finals of the cups. I believe the aim is to regularly feature in the group stages of European competition.

    I don’t think we are fighting below our weight.
    A third place finish, European qualification, semi finals and a final is about right/slightly above where we “should” be based on budget etc.
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    Took a look at home league records of previous teams that finished 3rd/4th - seasons 00/01, 04/05, 05/06, 09/10 and 17/18 with 20/21 and JR record

    Season P W D L Pts Apts W% Pts%
    2000-01 19 11 6 2 39 57 57.9% 68.4%
    2004-05 19 9 4 6 31 57 47.4% 54.4%
    2005-06 19 11 1 7 34 57 57.9% 59.6%
    2009-10 19 9 4 6 31 57 47.4% 54.4%
    2017-18 19 11 4 4 37 57 57.9% 64.9%
    2020-21 19 7 6 6 27 57 36.8% 47.4%
    JR 33 14 10 9 52 99 42.4% 52.5%


    Most Wins: 11 - 3 times
    Most Points: 39 - 00/01
    Highest Win%: 57.9% - 3 times
    Highest Point%: 68.4% - 00/01


    Taking seasons 00/01, 04/05, 05/06, 09/10 and 17/18 the average home wins in a season is 10.2, the average points is 34.4 which equates to a win % of 53.7% and a point % of 60.4.

    Under Jack Ross in 20/21 we won 7 league matches at home and took 27 points for a win % of 36.8% and a point % of 47.4%.

    Jack Ross current record is 14 wins from 33 league matches at home and 52 points from 99 pts which is a win % of 42.4% and a point % of 52.5% both well below the average of well performing teams in previous years which average 10 wins a season and 34 pts at home.

    In comparison, Hearts best is 2005-6, Won 15 games at home and won 47 pts at home.
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    Similarly, analysis of JR in games v Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and at Hampden.

    P W D L Pts A Pts W% Pts%
    Overall 25 5 5 15 17 63 20.0% 27.0%
    Home 9 2 3 4 9 27 22.2% 33.3%
    Away 12 2 2 8 8 36 16.7% 22.2%
    Hampden 4 1 0 3 25.0%
    Aberdeen 6 3 0 3 9 18 50.0% 50.0%
    Celtic 5 0 3 2 3 15 0.0% 20.0%
    Rangers 7 0 1 6 1 21 0.0% 4.8%
    Hearts 4 1 1 2 4 9 25.0% 44.4%
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90274 View Post
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    Similarly, analysis of JR in games v Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and at Hampden.

    P W D L Pts A Pts W% Pts%
    Overall 25 5 5 15 17 63 20.0% 27.0%
    Home 9 2 3 4 9 27 22.2% 33.3%
    Away 12 2 2 8 8 36 16.7% 22.2%
    Hampden 4 1 0 3 25.0%
    Aberdeen 6 3 0 3 9 18 50.0% 50.0%
    Celtic 5 0 3 2 3 15 0.0% 20.0%
    Rangers 7 0 1 6 1 21 0.0% 4.8%
    Hearts 4 1 1 2 4 9 25.0% 44.4%
    We don't have a gods given right to beat anyone, but Hampden is disappointing.

    Hearts is pretty even.

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    So that's now 17 points from 66 and a point % of 25.7% v Rangers Celtic Hearts Aberdeen.

    13 points from 30 v Hearts and Aberdeen, a point % of 43.3%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    If there’s one positive from today, it’s that Aberdeen are back in the big game chat.
    St Johnstone more or less biggly than Aberdeen? Toughie…

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    Similarly, analysis of JR in games v Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and at Hampden.

    P W D L Pts A Pts W% Pts%
    Overall 25 5 5 15 17 63 20.0% 27.0%
    Home 9 2 3 4 9 27 22.2% 33.3%
    Away 12 2 2 8 8 36 16.7% 22.2%
    Hampden 4 1 0 3 25.0%
    Aberdeen 6 3 0 3 9 18 50.0% 50.0%
    Celtic 5 0 3 2 3 15 0.0% 20.0%
    Rangers 7 0 1 6 1 21 0.0% 4.8%
    Hearts 4 1 1 2 4 9 25.0% 44.4%
    After todays result that’s Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Hearts and ‘Hampden’ all got a better record against us than we have against them under Ross.

    For all people try to muddy the waters regarding big games, these are the teams the fans really want to beat and Aberdeen and Hearts are the teams we should be competing with. Celtic and Rangers I think people can accept we won’t have a better record than but I think folk expect it to be closer. Hearts and Aberdeen though is very poor, especially when Hearts got relegated and then played in the Championship during 3 quarters of our games against them. The Hampden record is nothing short of abysmal.
    Last edited by Perfect Hatrick; 24-10-2021 at 09:22 AM.

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    [QUOTE=90274;6728633]Similarly, analysis of JR in games v Hearts Aberdeen Rangers Celtic and at Hampden.

    P W D L Pts A Pts W% Pts%
    Overall 25 5 5 15 17 63 20.0% 27.0%
    Home 9 2 3 4 9 27 22.2% 33.3%
    Away 12 2 2 8 8 36 16.7% 22.2%
    Hampden 4 1 0 3 25.0%
    Aberdeen 6 3 0 3 9 18 50.0% 50.0%
    Celtic 5 0 3 2 3 15 0.0% 20.0%
    Rangers 7 0 1 6 1 21 0.0% 4.8%
    Hearts 4 1 1 2 4 9 25.0% 44.4%
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    Would be interesting to compare this table with the same number of games prior to Ross.
    Incidentally our home league record this season in no worse than Hearts.

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    We have Celtc at ER this week, so a decent chance to improve our home record.

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    P W D L Pts A Pts W% Pts%
    Overall 27 5 5 17 17 69 18.5% 24.6%
    Home 10 2 3 5 9 30 20.0% 30.0%
    Away 13 2 2 9 8 36 16.7% 22.2%
    Hampden 4 1 0 3 25.0%
    Aberdeen 7 3 0 4 9 21 42.9% 42.9%
    Celtic 6 0 3 3 3 18 0.0% 16.7%
    Rangers 7 0 1 6 1 21 0.0% 4.8%
    Hearts 4 1 1 2 4 9 25.% 44.4%

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