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    Wonderful read! Thanks for posting.

    Love the sound of the ĎSt Patrickís South Standí - given that part of the ground is closest to the church itself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by offshorehibby View Post
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    Off topic slightly but it does mention the founding of Hibernian FC

    https://www.leithermagazine.com/issue-141/sandy
    Thanks for that. I was aware of John Cormack and Protestant action from Alan Lugton's books, but that was an interesting slant. I didn't know he remained a Councillor until the 60s.

    Thankfully Edinburgh has changed a lot in more recent decades and is far more cosmopolitan now.
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    Nice article. Thanks for sharing. I visited Ballingarry and it's church. Hope his part in HFC will be remembered there somehow in the future. No shortage of good will there to our club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes View Post
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    Thanks for that. I was aware of John Cormack and Protestant action from Alan Lugton's books, but that was an interesting slant. I didn't know he remained a Councillor until the 60s.

    Thankfully Edinburgh has changed a lot in more recent decades and is far more cosmopolitan now.
    There's a cracking book 'Edinburgh Divided' by Tom Gallagher goes into it in some detail. Very hard to get hold of these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes View Post
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    Thanks for that. I was aware of John Cormack and Protestant action from Alan Lugton's books, but that was an interesting slant. I didn't know he remained a Councillor until the 60s.

    Thankfully Edinburgh has changed a lot in more recent decades and is far more cosmopolitan now.
    cormack was a fascist and a bigot.
    He was campaigning for Edinburgh and Leith's Irish Catholics to be "sent home" way back pre WW2
    Caused a famous riot iin Morningside!!

    I had relatives who chased this lowlife out the Grassmarket when he would get on his soapbox.

    I know another member here who could tell personal stories about this guy.
    I could tell a few eye opening tales about him.
    But maybe not on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke View Post
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    cormack was a fascist and a bigot.
    He was campaigning for Edinburgh and Leith's Irish Catholics to be "sent home" way back pre WW2
    Caused a famous riot iin Morningside!!

    I had relatives who chased this lowlife out the Grassmarket when he would get on his soapbox.

    I know another member here who could tell personal stories about this guy.
    I could tell a few eye opening tales about him.
    But maybe not on this forum.
    Would you share some of this history in the holy ground Mick ? Sounds like an important part of leith and Edinburghís story ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke View Post
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    cormack was a fascist and a bigot.
    He was campaigning for Edinburgh and Leith's Irish Catholics to be "sent home" way back pre WW2
    Caused a famous riot iin Morningside!!

    I had relatives who chased this lowlife out the Grassmarket when he would get on his soapbox.

    I know another member here who could tell personal stories about this guy.
    I could tell a few eye opening tales about him.
    But maybe not on this forum.
    Growing up in Edinburgh in the 70s/80s there was definitely underlying anti-catholic bigotry around. Nowhere near as bad as in West Lothian/the West of Scotland, but I did experience it from time to time.

    I've often wondered whether there was less bigotry around because folk in the East of Scotland were less prejudiced, or due to the fact there is much less of a Catholic population in the East of Scotland, e.g., there are only 3 Catholic high schools in Edinburgh. Perhaps a bit of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offshorehibby View Post
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    Off topic slightly but it does mention the founding of Hibernian FC

    https://www.leithermagazine.com/issue-141/sandy
    Another good article, only slight issue I'd take with it is the line ''Catholic Coatbridge and Protestant Govan'' Govan may be where the Huns stadium is, but isn't an otherwise loyalist area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by offshorehibby View Post
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    Off topic slightly but it does mention the founding of Hibernian FC

    https://www.leithermagazine.com/issue-141/sandy
    That's another excellent read, thanks for posting the link.
    I can remember Cormack and his Protestant Action followers spouting their poison at the Mound years ago.

    I was born in '47 and was subjected to a fair bit of anti-Catholic verbals when I started work, particularly when I was employed in the printing trade. But my experience was nothing in comparison to what my grandparents were faced with in Edinburgh in the late 19th/early 20th centuries.

    Thank God, with a few exceptions, things have improved dramatically, even since my younger days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwheel View Post
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    Would you share some of this history in the holy ground Mick ? Sounds like an important part of leith and Edinburgh’s story ..
    fine,see how this thread pans out with cormack comments, tho a wee bit off topic

    cormack represented a Leith ward on the old Edinburgh Corporation(cooncil)

    I use the word "represented"
    If you were a Catholic in his ward forget about seeking his help on issues like housing, etc.

    Most Leith Hibs fans here will come from families affected by cormack and his mission to divide families and communities (which he did ) and do his version of the famine is over.

    He was a dangerous man.WW2 in effect stemmed him
    Support waned some after the war for his party, but he still had his loyal band of supporters.
    Mostly Edinburgh and Leith orangeman/women
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
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    The SFA's new text reporting service would go into meltdown..........
    Mind you, it probably will regardless.

    but on the flip side....they'd maybe Boycott ER

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Count View Post
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    Great read and proud to be a descendant of "Little Ireland".But I do think its a shame the the displaced Catholic Highlanders that also lived in the Cowgate area and faced the same intolerance seem to be totally ignored from our history.
    Iím not so sure many highlanders were Catholic. Apart from enclaves like Barra and South Uist, they were firmly protestant by the mid 19th century.

    Great article and nice to hear about positive connection to the Irish side mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke View Post
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    fine,see how this thread pans out with cormack comments, tho a wee bit off topic

    cormack represented a Leith ward on the old Edinburgh Corporation(cooncil)

    I use the word "represented"
    If you were a Catholic in his ward forget about seeking his help on issues like housing, etc.

    Most Leith Hibs fans here will come from families affected by cormack and his mission to divide families and communities (which he did ) and do his version of the famine is over.

    He was a dangerous man.WW2 in effect stemmed him
    Support waned some after the war for his party, but he still had his loyal band of supporters.
    Mostly Edinburgh and Leith orangeman/women
    I remember them disrupting Mass at St Mary's Star of the Sea in the mid 1960's. Just verbal no physical. they were escorted from the Church. Also remember getting abuse waking home from primary school because of badge on my blazer.

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    Brings to mind a wee thread of mine from a couple of years back. Plenty will have similar stories.

    https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...n-To-Know-More

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    Brilliant read that thread Iggy

    Well worth a visit

    Well done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggy Pope View Post
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    Brings to mind a wee thread of mine from a couple of years back. Plenty will have similar stories.

    https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...n-To-Know-More
    remember reading that the first time round, and enjoyed reading it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke View Post
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    fine,see how this thread pans out with cormack comments, tho a wee bit off topic

    cormack represented a Leith ward on the old Edinburgh Corporation(cooncil)

    I use the word "represented"
    If you were a Catholic in his ward forget about seeking his help on issues like housing, etc.

    Most Leith Hibs fans here will come from families affected by cormack and his mission to divide families and communities (which he did ) and do his version of the famine is over.

    He was a dangerous man.WW2 in effect stemmed him
    Support waned some after the war for his party, but he still had his loyal band of supporters.
    Mostly Edinburgh and Leith orangeman/women
    Was there not a bar in Coburg Street with an orange mural?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimBHibees View Post
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    Was there not a bar in Coburg Street with an orange mural?
    The Coburg Bar.owned for a number of years by an Orangeman /sympathiser.
    rAngers bus used to leave that pub on matchdays.

    Wrought iron feature on windowsills depicted the red hand of Ulster.

    Security services most definately had a file on this place during The Troubles.

    Frequented by a UDA man who also ran the bus!!!

    I know this,as i once worked alongside him !

    ......................................
    The period between the world wars saw mass unemployment and poverty .
    when that happens there is always someone to blame.

    In Edinburgh and Leith during this period, sadly, catholics got a lot of the blame.
    Housing ,jobs,education,etc.


    cormack's party at one time had 32% of the popular vote in Edinburgh and Leith
    And iirc 7 councillors at our City Chambers.
    Scary times for us Papes!!

    Strangely, cormack's mob were never as successful through the West .

    .................................
    Iggy, very interesting read is your link
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    The thread has fast forwarded a wee bit in history with the mention of cormack and his bigotry.
    However,our founders of course endured such animosity.
    We older guys can mind gaun doon the local park on a Sunday looking for a wee game of football

    "any chance eh a coke or a hen ,mate"

    Our Hibernian founders were shunned because of their nationality/religion.
    No chance of getting a game in many instances.

    Strange thing is ,had they not been refused a game and get to play for local clubs, or even a Sunday "kickaboot",there may not have been a Hibernian FC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick O'Rourke View Post
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    The Coburg Bar.owned for a number of years by an Orangeman /sympathiser.
    rAngers bus used to leave that pub on matchdays.

    Wrought iron feature on windowsills depicted the red hand of Ulster.

    Security services most definately had a file on this place during The Troubles.

    Frequented by a UDA man who also ran the bus!!!

    I know this,as i once worked alongside him !

    ......................................
    The period between the world wars saw mass unemployment and poverty .
    when that happens there is always someone to blame.

    In Edinburgh and Leith during this period, sadly, catholics got a lot of the blame.
    Housing ,jobs,education,etc.


    cormack's party at one time had 32% of the popular vote in Edinburgh and Leith
    And iirc 7 councillors at our City Chambers.
    Scary times for us Papes!!

    Strangely, cormack's mob were never as successful through the West .

    .................................
    Iggy, very interesting read is your link
    Alex Laidlaw was the Proprietor of the Coburg bar for many years 70s onwards, his late Son Calvin ran the Volunteer in Leith for many years

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    Iím not so sure many highlanders were Catholic. Apart from enclaves like Barra and South Uist, they were firmly protestant by the mid 19th century.

    Great article and nice to hear about positive connection to the Irish side mentioned.
    Think i should of said the West Highlands around Morar area that was untouched by the Reformation.Did we not once at the start of the club have a President from Morar???

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Count View Post
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    Think i should of said the West Highlands around Morar area that was untouched by the Reformation.Did we not once at the start of the club have a President from Morar???
    Yes, the districts of Morar, Knoydart, Arisaig and Moidart, collectively known as the Rough Bounds, escaped much of the effects of the Reformation.

    Hibs certainly have historical connections to the Rough Bounds and I know regular attendees at Easter Road today who are from the area.

    For those interested, there's a good book by Alasdair Roberts named The Chapels of the Rough Bounds which tells the story of how the old religion survived the Reformation in these parts.

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    A very good article in this month's Irish View about our co-founder:

    https://www.theirishvoice.com/sport/...an-fc-founder/

    i dont think i ever posted the article from the limerick leader in june. now showing on the archdiocese website. views his career froom a different angle. help with the research still welcome https://archedinburgh.org/canon-hann...ed-found-hibs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by scousecousin View Post
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    i dont think i ever posted the article from the limerick leader in june. now showing on the archdiocese website. views his career froom a different angle. help with the research still welcome https://archedinburgh.org/canon-hann...ed-found-hibs/
    Brilliant

    Thanks for posting

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    Quote Originally Posted by scousecousin View Post
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    i dont think i ever posted the article from the limerick leader in june. now showing on the archdiocese website. views his career froom a different angle. help with the research still welcome https://archedinburgh.org/canon-hann...ed-found-hibs/
    Thanks for posting. Interesting paragraph:

    At a talk at Parkhead given by Jim Craig on the 50th*Anniversary of the Lisbon Lions great success, he admitted in my presence that a shameful part of Celticís history, that is not publicised for obvious reasons, was the way they poached more than half of the Hibs team and a couple more from Renton in 1888; and sent both those clubs to the brink.

    Hadn't heard that before. Celtic fans are always in denial of their Club's behaviour in biting the hand that fed them. Well said Jim Craig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes View Post
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    Thanks for posting. Interesting paragraph:

    At a talk at Parkhead given by Jim Craig on the 50th*Anniversary of the Lisbon Lions great success, he admitted in my presence that a shameful part of Celticís history, that is not publicised for obvious reasons, was the way they poached more than half of the Hibs team and a couple more from Renton in 1888; and sent both those clubs to the brink.

    Hadn't heard that before. Celtic fans are always in denial of their Club's behaviour in biting the hand that fed them. Well said Jim Craig.
    The great betrayal of 1888.

    I hate that lot.

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    Thanks for posting. Interesting paragraph:

    At a talk at Parkhead given by Jim Craig on the 50th*Anniversary of the Lisbon Lions great success, he admitted in my presence that a shameful part of Celticís history, that is not publicised for obvious reasons, was the way they poached more than half of the Hibs team and a couple more from Renton in 1888; and sent both those clubs to the brink.

    Hadn't heard that before. Celtic fans are always in denial of their Club's behaviour in biting the hand that fed them. Well said Jim Craig.
    I was watching the Glasgow edition of Britain's Most Historic Towns on All4 or similar recently.

    There was a feature on Celtic and the Celtic historian who was featured droned on about them being a set up as a charitable enterprise to help the Irish Catholic poor, them being unique, them drawing support from displaced people all over Scotland and so on.

    I think they actually believe a lot of that stuff themselves. It's spoon fed to them from a young age and the grubbier parts of their founding are glossed over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pretty Boy View Post
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    I was watching the Glasgow edition of Britain's Most Historic Towns on All4 or similar recently.

    There was a feature on Celtic and the Celtic historian who was featured droned on about them being a set up as a charitable enterprise to help the Irish Catholic poor, them being unique, them drawing support from displaced people all over Scotland and so on.

    I think they actually believe a lot of that stuff themselves. It's spoon fed to them from a young age and the grubbier parts of their founding are glossed over.
    Indeed. They believe their own hype.

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