SPFL Strategic Review

[Unseen work]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2021/09/14/spfl-member-clubs-invest-in-independent-advice-on-strategic-review/

Stolen from Aberdeen as I don’t see Hibs mentioning anything yet.

Ourselves, Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee and Dundee United looking to review the current SPFL and improve it.

[Allez Hibs]

Simple really. Follow Ron's plan to a degree and make the top league 16-18 teams playing each other twice like virtually every other top league in Europe as we do have the highest attended league per capita in Europe and all that.

Time to end the Old Firm reliance and have a proper competitive league. There's something wrong when we are the ONLY league out of the top 20 leagues to have the same TWO clubs play in the Champions League proper since it started.

[04Sauzee]

I thought I had heard Ron Gordon talk about this previously and had even spoken about using some of his own cash to look prepare a report? Or is this something completely different.

[lord bunberry]

I wonder if teams selling ppv for their own games has had an impact on how clubs look at the tv deal and it’s insistence on four bigotfests every year. The tv deal has always been the thing that has held back change in this country, clubs reliance on that money stops any meaningful reconstruction.

[Del Boy]

On the face of it this sounds like a positive. Other clubs have basically just fallen in line with what the bigot brothers have decided for years. Having the next 5 biggest clubs working together will hopefully lead to them standing up to them a bit more.

[Billy Whizz]

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https://www.afc.co.uk/2021/09/14/spfl-member-clubs-invest-in-independent-advice-on-strategic-review/

Stolen from Aberdeen as I don’t see Hibs mentioning anything yet.

Ourselves, Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee and Dundee United looking to review the current SPFL and improve it.

https://www.afc.co.uk/2021/09/14/spf...ategic-review/

KEY POINTS
• The strategic review will include independent recommendations. These will be based on consultations with stakeholders and the review of available data and insight, informed by Deloitte’s extensive expertise in the sports business.
• This review is being undertaken with a view to identifying how the SPFL can significantly increase the annual distribution of revenues to Member Clubs.
• This is not about redistribution of existing income sources in favour of so-called ‘bigger clubs’. The Clubs are seeking to unlock new revenues and grow the Scottish game as a whole where ‘a rising tide lifts all ships’.
• We believe that unlocking new revenues will allow us to, amongst other things, produce better, more technically gifted players, to compete in European Club competitions and at national level.
• The SPFL board has endorsed this important review that the Clubs have commissioned with Deloitte and welcome the support and engagement of all who share our ambition to grow the Scottish game via a clear vision, strategy, and set of goals.

[Just Alf]

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Simple really. Follow Ron's plan to a degree and make the top league 16-18 teams playing each other twice like virtually every other top league in Europe as we do have the highest attended league per capita in Europe and all that.

Time to end the Old Firm reliance and have a proper competitive league. There's something wrong when we are the ONLY league out of the top 20 leagues to have the same TWO clubs play in the Champions League proper since it started.

Good post, agree 100%

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd love an 18 team league, sponsors wouldn't.

[Irish_Steve]

Nothing is going to happen when we still have the farcical 11 - 1 voting system

[Ozyhibby]

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Simple really. Follow Ron's plan to a degree and make the top league 16-18 teams playing each other twice like virtually every other top league in Europe as we do have the highest attended league per capita in Europe and all that.

Time to end the Old Firm reliance and have a proper competitive league. There's something wrong when we are the ONLY league out of the top 20 leagues to have the same TWO clubs play in the Champions League proper since it started.

Given that Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts are the biggest opponents of a 16 team league and they are conducting the study, I can’t see that happen.


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[Hibernian Verse]

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Nothing is going to happen when we still have the farcical 11 - 1 voting system

Clubs would need to break away from the SPFL. Come or be left behind.

[Is It On....]

3. SPFL Structure, Governance, Organisation, Resources, and Competition

The exercise will review and recommend structural and organisational changes to improve the governance and administration of the league, - focused on streamlining the delivery of the strategic goals. It will benchmark against other leagues and best practices across the game.

This the key point. We need proper governance to break the stagnation

[LongJohnBanger]

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Given that Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts are the biggest opponents of a 16 team league and they are conducting the study, I can’t see that happen.


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Is that a current Hibs point of view or an historic one?

[worcesterhibby]

Exciting times...Go Ron !

[Eyrie]

Hmm - an eighteen team league with two fewer home games overall, and three full houses against the Ugly Sisters and Hearts replaced by Inverness, Kilmarnock and Queen of the South. Good way to fund better players.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with even more opportunities for Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc to drop points against Ross County, Hamilton and Partick Thistle. Good way to improve our chances of catching the Ugly Sisters, who won't drop those points.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with mid table clashes from February onwards with no chance or Europe or relegation. Good way to increase crowds.

Hmm - an eighteen team league which Scottish football had for years and eventually recognised wasn't working. Good way to evolve our game.

[Smartie]

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3. SPFL Structure, Governance, Organisation, Resources, and Competition

The exercise will review and recommend structural and organisational changes to improve the governance and administration of the league, - focused on streamlining the delivery of the strategic goals. It will benchmark against other leagues and best practices across the game.

This the key point. We need proper governance to break the stagnation

I think part of the issue is that it probably isn't clear exactly what "proper governance" is - or rather, that different clubs will have different ideas on what constitutes "proper governance".

Rangers are keen on the idea of improving the governance of Scottish football. I'd imagine their vision of what that might involve would be fairly amusing.

[CMurdoch]

The absence of the Old Firm invite to the party is significant.
3 american club owners, Americacentric Cormack plus Anderson Hearts.
Suspect this group is all about how they can strategically wrestle some of the money and power back from the Old Firm whilst admittedly looking to come up with ways to make a bigger pie.
Expect the Old Firm to cozy up together to work out how to retain their whiphand.

[Moulin Yarns]

Hibernian, Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United & Dundee commission independent advisers to conduct a review of the SPFL, with the aim of significantly increasing revenue.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58565111

[neil7908]

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Hmm - an eighteen team league with two fewer home games overall, and three full houses against the Ugly Sisters and Hearts replaced by Inverness, Kilmarnock and Queen of the South. Good way to fund better players.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with even more opportunities for Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc to drop points against Ross County, Hamilton and Partick Thistle. Good way to improve our chances of catching the Ugly Sisters, who won't drop those points.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with mid table clashes from February onwards with no chance or Europe or relegation. Good way to increase crowds.

Hmm - an eighteen team league which Scottish football had for years and eventually recognised wasn't working. Good way to evolve our game.

What in the history of the SPFL makes you think things will get any better with the current set up?

[Allez Hibs]

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Hmm - an eighteen team league with two fewer home games overall, and three full houses against the Ugly Sisters and Hearts replaced by Inverness, Kilmarnock and Queen of the South. Good way to fund better players.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with even more opportunities for Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc to drop points against Ross County, Hamilton and Partick Thistle. Good way to improve our chances of catching the Ugly Sisters, who won't drop those points.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with mid table clashes from February onwards with no chance or Europe or relegation. Good way to increase crowds.

Hmm - an eighteen team league which Scottish football had for years and eventually recognised wasn't working. Good way to evolve our game.

Something needs to change. The current set up clearly isn't working.

[Eyrie]

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What in the history of the SPFL makes you think things will get any better with the current set up?

As with anything else, it's easy to see the flaws in the current set up and very difficult to come up with something better as opposed to simply different. An 18 team league would be different but certainly not better once the downsides are considered.

[Juniper Greens]

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Hmm - an eighteen team league with two fewer home games overall, and three full houses against the Ugly Sisters and Hearts replaced by Inverness, Kilmarnock and Queen of the South. Good way to fund better players.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with even more opportunities for Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc to drop points against Ross County, Hamilton and Partick Thistle. Good way to improve our chances of catching the Ugly Sisters, who won't drop those points.

Hmm - an eighteen team league with mid table clashes from February onwards with no chance or Europe or relegation. Good way to increase crowds.

Hmm - an eighteen team league which Scottish football had for years and eventually recognised wasn't working. Good way to evolve our game.

I disagree with your point that more "poor teams" makes it more likely for old firm dominance to continue. A few years back, Aberdeen only lost the league due to results against celtic.
Celtic and rangers are almost as likely to drop points against bottom 6 teams as they are against us.

[Allez Hibs]

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As with anything else, it's easy to see the flaws in the current set up and very difficult to come up with something better as opposed to simply different. An 18 team league would be different but certainly not better once the downsides are considered.

Nonsense. Rangers and Celtic would be playing against teams each week away in full stadiums which would be cup finals to the smaller clubs in the league which would also spread the wealth and give their players a chance to shine. It would be great for these clubs and Scottish Football as a whole whilst making it more competitive with only playing each other twice.

An 18 team league is miles better than the current fiasco of a split. The benchmarking exercise is vital.

What really is the point in the current set up when the best Hibs can really finish is 3rd as we are hamstrung with 8 games against the Old Firm a season if we are decent?

Ah but our finances will take a hit with the drop in revenue from Old Firm ticket sales - what a pathetically negative outlook clubs have looking at it that way. Let's be brave and look at the bigger picture for the sake of Scottish Football.

[Eyrie]

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I disagree with your point that more "poor teams" makes it more likely for old firm dominance to continue. A few years back, Aberdeen only lost the league due to results against celtic.
Celtic and rangers are almost as likely to drop points against bottom 6 teams as they are against us.

I agree that the Ugly Sisters are as likely to drop points against the bottom six as against us - the problem is neither happens very often compared to how often we drop points against other clubs.

Look at last season. We were 39 points behind Sevco and Aberdeen were 46 points behind. Or the season before that. Motherwell were 34 points behind Celtc and 21 behind Sevco, Aberdeen were 35 and 22 respectively.

That is due to the third and fourth placed teams dropping points against all the other teams, and not solely their results against the Ugly Sisters.

The key to anyone outside the gruesome twosome making a title bid will always be consistency against the rest of the league and taking more points off the Ugly Sisters than are dropped. Much easier said than done, and whether the top flight has 10, 12, 16, 18 or 20 teams is largely irrelevant.

[Allez Hibs]

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I agree that the Ugly Sisters are as likely to drop points against the bottom six as against us - the problem is neither happens very often compared to how often we drop points against other clubs.

Look at last season. We were 39 points behind Sevco and Aberdeen were 46 points behind. Or the season before that. Motherwell were 34 points behind Celtc and 21 behind Sevco, Aberdeen were 35 and 22 respectively.

That is due to the third and fourth placed teams dropping points against all the other teams, and not solely their results against the Ugly Sisters.

The key to anyone outside the gruesome twosome making a title bid will always be consistency against the rest of the league and taking more points off the Ugly Sisters than are dropped. Much easier said than done, and whether the top flight has 10, 12, 16, 18 or 20 teams is largely irrelevant.

What about the season Aberdeen nearly won the league a few seasons ago because there was no Rangers in the league which made it more competitive for them?

You have to admit the chances of getting closer to the old firm playing them 8 times a season compared to 4 games are greatly reduced, this is what makes the whole league weaker.

[WhileTheChief..]

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Something needs to change. The current set up clearly isn't working.

What’s wrong with it?!We’ve got a decent league just now. This is about trying to get more cash into it.

[hibbysam]

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I agree that the Ugly Sisters are as likely to drop points against the bottom six as against us - the problem is neither happens very often compared to how often we drop points against other clubs.

Look at last season. We were 39 points behind Sevco and Aberdeen were 46 points behind. Or the season before that. Motherwell were 34 points behind Celtc and 21 behind Sevco, Aberdeen were 35 and 22 respectively.

That is due to the third and fourth placed teams dropping points against all the other teams, and not solely their results against the Ugly Sisters.

The key to anyone outside the gruesome twosome making a title bid will always be consistency against the rest of the league and taking more points off the Ugly Sisters than are dropped. Much easier said than done, and whether the top flight has 10, 12, 16, 18 or 20 teams is largely irrelevant.

Rangers, Celtic, hearts, Aberdeen x2 each or Kilmarnock, raith, Dunfermline and ayr - which is likely to gain Hibs the most points?

If we lose 4 times to Rangers they are 12 ahead already, if we played and lost twice to them it’s only 6 points. You only need to sneak one result against them to ‘break even’ in head to head.

While still unlikely, it would give teams a far greater chance of winning or competing.

Unfortunately that isn’t what this is about. It’s about wealth and increasing revenues. Increasing teams isn’t going to do that short term so will be put in the bin.

[CMurdoch]

[QUOTE=WhileTheChief..;6693523]What’s wrong with it?!We’ve got a decent league just now. This is about trying to get more cash into it.[/QUOTE

Ignore the claptrap.
This is about those in the group wanting more cash and power.
2 ways to do that
1. take it from the Old Firm with a restructured ruling body, new rules and voting rights etc and/or
2. take it from others i.e the part time teams. See 1.

[Cat Stanton]

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Nothing is going to happen when we still have the farcical 11 - 1 voting system

Do we? I thought that was the SPL (when it was separate from the rest of the league). Is it not different now it's the SPFL (and therefore all the clubs, not just the top 12)?

[WhileTheChief..]

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Ignore the claptrap.This is about getting more cash and power.2 ways to do that1. take it from the Old Firm with a restructured ruling body, new rules and voting rights etc and/or2. take it from others i.e the part time teams. See 1.

Sounds good to me.