Another English club with a past history of success falls into administration, how many more on the brink through chasing EPL big bucks 🤔
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22-09-2021 01:14 PM #1
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Derby in Administration
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22-09-2021 01:23 PM #2This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not sure the money owed to Cocu and co is secured though
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22-09-2021 01:29 PM #3This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-09-2021 01:33 PM #4This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m sure 1st time Motherwell went into admin, they laid off players, long time ago though
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22-09-2021 01:37 PM #5
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Apparently Rooney is on £90,000 per week so it's hard to feel sorry for him or the club...
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22-09-2021 09:05 PM #6
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22-09-2021 01:38 PM #7
Only out of interest. I wonder if the administration ‘rules/processes’ in England are the same as here?
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22-09-2021 01:45 PM #8
Farce. Given the money sloshing about down south.
Deserve everything that financial mismanagement reaps."We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
"Romanov was like a breath of fresh air - laced with cyanide." Me.
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22-09-2021 02:00 PM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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22-09-2021 02:58 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-09-2021 05:23 AM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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23-09-2021 10:19 AM #13
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23-09-2021 10:32 AM #14
The level of money involved in the premiership compared to the championship is so significant, some owners will take a speculate to accumulate approach in the hope the vast wealth of the top flight will pay the bills and loans from the championship days. This has backfired MASSIVELY for Derby County.
This will also keep happening to the clubs that have spent time in the premiership, spent a fortune while in the top flight and subsequently been relegated and failed to get back up quickly. I’m looking at the Welsh two as potential followers.
While the money in the English top flight is incredible, it’s killing the clubs in the lower tiers, and the house of cards is slowly crashing down on the English game.
When the likes of Everton/Arsenal - even Crystal Palace/West Brom outspend the likes of Bayern Munich and Real Madrid, you know something’s up.
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23-09-2021 10:56 AM #15
Incidentally, the accounts last year from English clubs are stark.
Man City - £126m loss
Arsenal - £54m loss
Liverpool - £46m loss.
That’s with the incredible TV revenue they receive. Naturally, Covid has an impact, but if you look across the water, Bayern were very disappointed with their accounts as they only recorded a €17m profit.
Bayern, who have made big signings over the years haven’t recorded a single loss since 2003, and that was a loss of €2m. Over that period they’ve won 2 champions leagues, and countless other trophies - more success than any English club. In the summer there, they were fretting on whether to spend €10m on a player, as they didn’t want to risk making a loss, even with hundreds of millions in reserves.
Some call it cheap, but I call it responsible, which is night and day from the English game/Barcelona. Man Utd are hundreds of millions in debt, and win nothing.
The English clubs should really take a leaf out of many continental teams, and see making a loss as a dreadful thing, otherwise there will be more, bigger scalps than Derby County.
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23-09-2021 05:26 PM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Interesting to note too that (I think) Bayern's cheapest match tickets are around just 15 euro whilst the least expensive Derby tickets are around £33. I know which team I'd rather watch. As for losses, Derby County's chairman was complaining about losing £3m a month three years ago.
I think what's developing is a situation where there will be more and more 'yo-yo' clubs between the Premiership and Championship with other clubs finding it hard to compete financially with clubs dropping down with a parachute payment. I get the feeling that a few club chairmen won't mind too much not having to finance a new season in the Premiership. I know a few Forest fans certainly who would prefer to be competitive in the Championship in the future rather than getting their ass kicked in the Premier every week.
I detest the Premier actually. It is ruining football and the teams outside of it are largely being abandoned. It won't end well for many.
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23-09-2021 05:37 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Not sure the point you are trying to make.
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23-09-2021 07:15 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They're also in much greater debt than any English Club, so it's a pretty bad comparison.
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23-09-2021 07:57 PM #19
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Or did abramovich write it off?
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24-09-2021 01:23 AM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
https://showsport.me/football/bayern-borussia-psg-bundesliga-1542321
How could they be if they’ve turned a profit every year for the past 18 years? They briefly had stadium debt for the Allianz Arena, which they paid off 16 years early.
My point is you can be successful if you’re responsible, play within the rules and not risk the future of your club.
Bayern are one club - not multiple, so you can’t compare the success of Bayern against entire leagues 😂.
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24-09-2021 01:47 AM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They’re also the only team in that period to have won multiple Champions leagues, and not be in significant debt. In fact - they have no debt whatsoever. Every single Spanish/English Club to have won it in that period are in mountains of debt, and you can see clearly why they were so in to the ‘Super League.’
My point is, if you’re fiscally responsible, well run and ambitious you can be successful, without financial doping, and risking the future of your club, as English sides have done, and indeed Barcelona too.
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23-09-2021 07:05 PM #22
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Should've been relegated for this last season and they clung on as long as they could to shaft Wycombe.
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23-09-2021 07:10 PM #23
Bayern have the pick of the whole nation in terms of players, English clubs actually have to compete with eachother. That is a big money saver for Bayern. If a good player wants to stay in germany, there is only 1 team. In English, they can chose from at least 6.
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24-09-2021 01:32 AM #24This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Bayern are just the freaks and several steps above the other big clubs.
Dortmund have real potential - they have the highest attendance in the league, but they have a massive inferiority complex to Bayern. Reckon either them, Gladbach or Leipzig will put in a challenge in the not too distant future though.
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23-09-2021 07:12 PM #25
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"Derby lost £14.7m in 2016 and £7.9m in 2017. And they were heading for further heavy losses in 2018, which would have breached the EFL's profit and sustainability rules allowing a cumulative £39m loss over a three-year period, until they confirmed Morris had bought the Pride Park stadium from the club for £80m." The EFL gave them, and Sheffield Wednesday, a free pass in the form of a meaningless fine for gerrymandering their accounts. I feel sorry for the clubs that were relegated from the Championship whilst so called big clubs were effectively let away with cheating.
Last edited by Is It On....; 23-09-2021 at 10:17 PM.
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