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First Dempster, now Mathie, exciting times for the club ahead.
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Thread: Graeme Mathie Away?
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16-09-2021 07:32 PM #121
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16-09-2021 07:32 PM #122This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I couldn’t be further from believing the Ron the con stuff.
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16-09-2021 07:34 PM #123
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16-09-2021 07:35 PM #124
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16-09-2021 07:39 PM #125This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
There are others who come out with Ron the Con stuff.
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16-09-2021 07:39 PM #126
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After reading all the posts so far, the general consensus is that Mathie did a great job at Hibs. I agree with this.
Up until now we have been operating with a structure that was put in place by Dempster. My feeling is that due to the relative success Mathie had, his influence at the club became greater as the years went on. It is no coincidence that Mathie has gone not long after Dempster left. Ross in some ways has been hung out to dry at recent press conferences and had to explain the lack of signings. It was embarrassing for Ross to withdraw Doig from a match day squad last month and advise jurnos that a move was imminent. This must have been at the instruction of Mathie because there was a fear Doig may get injured, only for Ross to re-instate Doig the following week. No one on here can prove it but I detect there has been friction between Ross and Mathie for some time.
Much as Mathie came in for criticism in the last window I feel his hands are tied somewhat due to the what Hibs are able to spend. Going forward we will find it more difficult to attract players that our immediate rivals, Aberdeen and Hearts may want. Both these clubs either have owners willing to spend more of their own money, for example Aberdeen or have a benefactor like Hearts willing to throw money away. Hearts have wasted millions in the last 4-5 years. Most people would have run a mile after the burning the money Hearts have but their benefactor has deep pockets and is not going away.
Hibs, with Mathie, have been very smart in the transfer market. This has been proved by consistent top 4 finishes and numerous appearances at Hampden in cup competitions.
Time will tell who replaces Mathie, but my gut feeling is that he is going to be a big loss.We are going to find out in the next year, after a couple of transfer windows, how much of a loss he is.
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16-09-2021 07:40 PM #127This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
For numerous people to hear the exact same thing and then Mathie to be binned two weeks later would suggest there was substance to it to me. It might not be the sole reason for his departure but it looks like it could be part of the reason.Last edited by calumhibee1; 16-09-2021 at 07:49 PM.
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16-09-2021 07:41 PM #128
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16-09-2021 07:45 PM #129
Interesting what the actual reason is for him leaving.
Simon Ferry has often heavily praised him and said that he’s very good at the job he does. He’s also been part of the massive turnaround the club has had since getting relegated with our recruitment being much much better.
Maybe Ron thinks we should be doing even better? I.e getting McGrath and McCart in earlier, or Doig leaving which Ross more or less said in the press only for it not to come to fruitition?
As exciting as it is potentially getting a better replacement there’s also that fear for me as I do think Mathie is good and would be hard to replace.
Players from abroad sound all well and good but we’ve seen countless come over and struggle.
It’s a huge risk but if Ron is comfortable with it then fair enough.
I wonder what say if any Jack Ross has in it? Might not sit well with him if they’ve a good relationship and he has confidence Mathie will get his targets in? On the flip side maybe Ross has complained about the lack of business and expressed frustration?
I’d imagine Ron would keep him in the loop and wants his opinion.
Maybe Kensall has came in and thinks we’re a shambles and capable of more?
Fwiw I’ve always really liked Mathie and been impressed with him when he speaks. His most recent interview was fantastic IMO and it was nice to hear him being so positive about the club and what he expects us to get for players and we won’t go down without a fight and lose players on the cheap. Were his values too high and unrealistic? Maybe Ross said to sell Doig for X amount as we could do x,y and z with it but Mathie was confident we could get more which then resulted in us missing out on targets?Last edited by Unseen work; 16-09-2021 at 07:55 PM.
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16-09-2021 07:46 PM #130
Was it Ron’s son who got us Muller? If so, maybe there in lies the replacement.
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16-09-2021 07:58 PM #131This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I imagine he lives in one of the very expensive estates near Morpeth like Tranwell Woods or similar.
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16-09-2021 08:01 PM #132This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-09-2021 08:05 PM #133
Pretty sure Jack Ross lives in Northumberland, not quite as far down as Sunderland.
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16-09-2021 08:12 PM #134
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16-09-2021 08:13 PM #135This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I really liked what he had to say; very intelligent and enthusiastic and good at communication.
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16-09-2021 08:15 PM #136
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...rector-3386320
No money in
McGrath
McCrorie
Barrie McKay
McCart
Griffiths
Are they the reasons?
The press reported we made a mistake with the paperwork regarding McGrath instead of running out of time. Was it Mathie mistake and a big/amateur one at that?
Unless the post is nonsense then it seems a few posters were correct.Last edited by Unseen work; 16-09-2021 at 08:18 PM.
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16-09-2021 08:24 PM #137This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote[IMG]381313_2307180833812_1078031841_2523339_2139902811 _n[/IMG]
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16-09-2021 08:26 PM #138madhatterLeft by mutual consent!This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In my opinion our recruitment seems almost entirely based in Scotland. St Mirren are almost our feeder club. Won't know the ins and outs but it regularly feels like we have 1 target and if we fail with that we scramble around.
Signing the right player is difficult, no doubt about that. I'd say McCrorie and McGrath failures will be big contributors. Doesn't make club look great and I think Ron doesn't want another "done" deal being missed. Who knows..
Either way, Graeme Mathie has done a good job taking us up to this level.Last edited by madhatter; 16-09-2021 at 08:29 PM.
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16-09-2021 08:34 PM #139
Mathie has done a decent job but he's failed the manager in the last 2 windows by not bringing in the other forward we've badly needed...didn't think Ron would be impressed at these failed deadline day deals to be honest. Think it's the right time to bring someone else in
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16-09-2021 08:37 PM #140
I’ve seen newspaper reports but is there actually anything official that he’s away?
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16-09-2021 08:42 PM #141This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-09-2021 08:44 PM #142This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If both RG and JR were frustrated with him then he had to go. I think the Euro defeat really p'd off RG.
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16-09-2021 08:53 PM #143
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16-09-2021 08:54 PM #144This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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16-09-2021 09:00 PM #145This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
He’s clearly done a good job to a degree but he’s clearly badly failed in areas.
No surprise that we want better.
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16-09-2021 09:01 PM #146
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Why not just get Griffiths in at the end of the window at least.
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16-09-2021 09:02 PM #147This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Evening News understands that the 38-year-old has ultimately paid the price after*Hibs*endured a frustrating end to the summer transfer window and was relieved of his duties this week as owner Ron Gordon continues revamping the senior management team.
Mathie joined Hibs as Head of Recruitment and spent six years in the role before his appointment as Sporting Director in January 2020 as part of a reshuffle sparked by the departure of Head of Football Operations George Craig.
During his stint as recruitment chief he was widely credited with helping to bring players such as John McGinn to the club and following his promotion to Sporting Director, played a key role in new contracts for key players such as Martin Boyle, Josh Doig, and Joe Newell.
But a number of events in the latter days of the transfer window are believed to have accelerated his departure.
Graeme Mathie was appointed Sporting Director at Hibs following the departure of Head of Football Operation George Craig
The Evening News understands that the 38-year-old has ultimately paid the price after*Hibs*endured a frustrating end to the summer transfer window and was relieved of his duties this week as owner Ron Gordon continues revamping the senior management team.
But a number of events in the latter days of the transfer window are believed to have accelerated his departure.
Hibs attempted to do a late deal for St Mirren’s Jamie McGrath with Scott Allan and Drey Wright going in the other direction but ran out of time to get the move over the line, while the eventual arrival of Middlesbrough centre-back Nathan Wood came after more than one failed attempt to persuade St Johnstone to part with Jamie McCart.
That delay in bringing in defensive cover had already cost Hibs in Europe with club captain Paul Hanlon sidelined for the Europa Conference League third qualifying round second-leg encounter against HNK Rijeka in Croatia through injury and a depleted team eventually going down 4-1 on the night and 5-2 on aggregate.
Head coach Jack Ross, meanwhile, spoke repeatedly of his frustration after the club was unsuccessful in adding to his attacking options before the deadline and was forced to address rumours after the window that the club had been beaten to Barrie McKay's signature by city rivals Hearts.
Mathie, who turned out for Bournemouth, Coventry, and Motherwell as a player before stints with Celtic and the Scottish FA prior to joining Hibs, leaves having contributed greatly to the club’s return to the Scottish Premiership following their relegation in 2014 as well as the 2016 Scottish Cup success and last season’s third-place finish.
Apart from confirming that Mathie's away, it's all speculation/supposition.Last edited by Peevemor; 16-09-2021 at 09:05 PM.
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16-09-2021 09:03 PM #148
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16-09-2021 09:15 PM #149
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I think not getting to the group stages of the European conference league and not shifting Doig put a big dent in Ron's plans given the lost revenue. The old Hibs would just say bad luck and just carry on. Not the US way. Ron would have carried out and an inquiry and found out out what needs to done to not let it happen again. US businesses are more performance and results driven.
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