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13-08-2021 10:57 PM #31
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14-08-2021 11:27 AM #32This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I can't think of truly Christian country, certainly not one that looks to the second covenant as it's basis for living. Most groups who are pointing at the Bible or the Koran as their basis for morals are using a very messed up version of those writings and a very selective interpretation.
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14-08-2021 11:45 AM #33
It really does grip my faeces when the religious start to imply that they have some sort of monopoly on morality. If you need your religion to tell you what the right thing to do is, then the problem is not with humanity as a whole but more likely with you. We don't need religion for people to do good things but it is a very useful tool to get good people to do bad things.
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14-08-2021 04:21 PM #34This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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14-08-2021 08:37 PM #35This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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19-08-2021 07:10 AM #36
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I can understand why people take refuge in holy books, it looks like it’s down to interpretation in the end.
The whole of mankind has evolved over a long period of time and every individual has been switched on at some point to try and make some sort of sense of it all, we read books, watch films, listen to music to try and establish some moral compass. All of this could have happened without you ever existing, the fact that you are here in this moment to question things may suggests that atheism is too simplistic an answer.
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19-08-2021 10:27 AM #37
I'm on 1 Chronicles, about 400 pages in. Big cliff-hanger at the end of Kings, whereby Judah has fallen to the Babylonians. Chronicles is a another interpretation of previous books, so it's going to be a while before the narrative picks up again. Those Old Testament writers knew how to keep the reader hooked
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19-08-2021 06:00 PM #38
The 'Old Testament' seems to be full of hideous stories of slaughtering non-believers and includes what pretty much amounts to exterminations (or a Holocaust, if you will) of whole populations... Men, Women and Children.
It also has so many examples of people that considered Females as an inferior species, not worth as much as a Male. For instance, some guy called 'Lot' offered his own daughters to be raped by a Mob to prevent them attacking his House Guests.
It honestly has stuff in there that's the biggest load of made up bollocks you could possibly imagine, and yet hundreds of millions of people slavishly follow religions based on that nonsense.
And a question for our believers:
Wars, sexual abuse, hideous illnesses, premature deaths of children, rape, child-abuse, millions of people starving to death....
Are you telling us that your God is up there watching all this ever day and does F.... All about it yet you worship that guy? Seriously?
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19-08-2021 06:08 PM #39
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The brilliant Stephen fry saying similar is great
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19-08-2021 06:46 PM #40This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
One of my favourite depictions of God is by Irvine Welsh in the Granton Star Cause in which God is just a pissed off old guy in a boozer. He's sick and tired of being blamed for everything wrong in the world, big and small and states he could fix it but he just doesn't give a ****. He then lists all the protagonists failings and explains to him how he had the power to change every one of them but chose not to and asks why he should be any different?
There are, or were, plentiful resources on the earth to be shared around so that we all have enough to eat, drink and live comfortable lives. Humans choose to distribute those resources unfairly. Rape, abuse, murder are all human acts. Humans have free will and the existence of God or otherwise is largely irrelevant to the people who carry out those actions, even those motivated by religion are carried out or instructed by humans. Likewise all the good things that happen are the result of human actions as well, even those motivated by people of faith.
I can accept all kinds of logical arguments for the non existence of God, I doubt there are many, if any, believers who don't think about them as well. I just don't think you can argue bad things happening is proof of non existence unless you are also willing to accept the opposite as balance.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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19-08-2021 07:04 PM #41
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19-08-2021 07:17 PM #42This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If everyone was guaranteed to live until at least 50 or we all died on our 70th birthday would that really sway anyone on the matter of the benevolence or existence of God. I'm sceptical.
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19-08-2021 07:17 PM #43This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Sorry mate, but that's a very poor attempt to defend your God.
We're not talking about whether bad things happen. We're talking about people who believe in a God that sits back and watches those bad things happen... day after day, year after year, century after century.... all the while still being worshipped by people that think that's OK?
Fair enough, you believe in that God if you like, but it hardly seems like a deity that's going to win me over any time soon.
And don't get me started on the sins of the pious that think God is with them.
'Gott Mit Uns' was a popular motto of one group from about 80 years back, as well as all the fanatical religious terrorists, child abusing Priests/Vicars, or those that burnt non-believers at the stake, urged on by their Priest, Vicar, Bishops, Imams and Popes.
Hypocrisy The Name Is Religion.
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19-08-2021 07:27 PM #44This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
At what point does the hypothesised God start and stop interfering? Is it just a belief that if God exists he should give everyone what they want? How does that work in a world of disparate needs, wants and beliefs? At the most base level if a Hibs and Hearts fan both pray for their team to win the next Derby how does God satisfy both of them?
Good things happen every day. If I suggested any of them were proof of the existence of God I would be, quite correctly, shot down. If only the bad things can be taken into account then it leads to a pretty lopsided discussions though.
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19-08-2021 07:56 PM #45
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
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19-08-2021 09:01 PM #47This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
In The Old Testament, God doesn't merely sit back and watch such things, He Himself makes them happen. So He's actually calmed doon since the old daysLast edited by Hibernia&Alba; 19-08-2021 at 09:16 PM.
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19-08-2021 09:17 PM #48This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If would appear some eople who are nominally atheist or anti theist are very, very angry at a being they don't even believe to exist and/or angry at people for believing in that being. Both those angers seem misplaced to me. I have no real issue with the anger aimed at organised religion, in fact I'll happily join in when it comes to a great number of areas. The idea that a belief in any kind of supernatural or spiritual entity is a character flaw or a mark of inferior critical thinking seems flawed to me though. How many people who don't believe in God will happily accept that yoga involves some kind of 'spiritual energy'? Does that encounter the same level of mocking or implication of impaired intelligence? There are many great thinkers and scientists who failed to actively give up on the idea that there could be a God: Darwin, Carl Sagan, Ian Barbour. Einstein believed the problem too vast for his brain or the brain of others. With that in mind I'll stick with my stance of 'agnostic theist'. I just don't know. I think my favourite take might be that of Freeman Dyson though:
'Science and religion are two windows that people look through, trying to understand the big universe outside, trying to understand why we are here. The two windows give different views, but they look out at the same universe. Both views are one-sided, neither is complete. Both leave out essential features of the real world. And both are worthy of respect. Trouble arises when either science or religion claims universal jurisdiction, when either religious or scientific dogma claims to be infallible. Religious creationists and scientific materialists are equally dogmatic and insensitive. By their arrogance they bring both science and religion into disrepute. The media exaggerate their numbers and importance. The media rarely mention the fact that the great majority of religious people belong to moderate denominations that treat science with respect, or the fact that the great majority of scientists treat religion with respect so long as religion does not claim jurisdiction over scientific questions.'
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19-08-2021 09:25 PM #49
Old testament god is a bit of a c*** , taking the 1st born, wiping out people who dont keep in line, wars in his name etc, then suddenly the NT comes along with good old Jesus and suddenly God turns into a bit of a hippie, turn the other cheek and help your fellow man no matter who he is. One minute it's kill the heathens then suddenly it's the heathens are our friends, welcome them.
Religion is there to control the population, do this that and the other or god will smight you down, the fear of god no matter what religion was enough to keep the people in check. We are better educated nowadays and the reason why there's far more non believers, hundreds of years ago the vast majority couldn't read or right and did as they were told, that's all changed.
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20-08-2021 01:52 AM #50
This one has veered away from the appreciation of the Bible as a work of art then.
The only thing we all know is that nobody can prove God does exist and nobody can prove he doesn’t. The certainty of angry Atheism though has almost become a pastiche of religion itself , with quotes from high profile non-believers replacing scripture as the fountain of truth.
Religious beliefs should be robustly challenged but implying that holding them shows a lack of education is just a wee bit unfair. Well that’s wot I thinks.Every gimmick hungry yob,
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20-08-2021 06:57 AM #51
For me, the book of Revelation is one of the finest pieces of writing there is.
I won't tell you how it ends 😉
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20-08-2021 07:15 AM #52This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
This is Doubting H&A, getting ready to head to Mass.Last edited by Hibernia&Alba; 20-08-2021 at 09:44 AM.
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20-08-2021 07:16 AM #53This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I always suspected you are one of those fundamentalist Protestants, praying for the Rapture of the End Days, CWGHIBERNIAN FC - ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY SINCE 1875
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20-08-2021 07:21 AM #54This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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20-08-2021 08:18 AM #55This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
My problem is not with peoples beliefs, it's when those beliefs cross the line and try and influence my life based on what they believe or insists that others are obliged to follow the moral code that they themselves have.
I guess my problem is with organised religion, especially the hypocrisy of it demanding special protection against criticism and simultaneously being critical of that what doesn't comply with its ideology.
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20-08-2021 09:14 AM #56This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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20-08-2021 10:52 AM #57This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The Babylonians took 10-20 thousand people from the Kingdom of Judah into captivity. Once there their religious outlook changed forever. Their religion up until that point revolved around the Temple and visiting it when required. Once that was impossible they diverted there religious impulse to building a temple "within themselves" which is a far more spiritual pursuit than claiming God gave them a but of land forever. That in turn led to a belief in following strict rituals and beliefs which ain't spiritual at all.
When they were released and returned to Jerusalem they were called "Persians" i.e. Parsees, Pharisees .
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20-08-2021 11:17 AM #58This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm still an atheist who is comfortable with my reasons for being one and definitely not an angry one
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20-08-2021 12:29 PM #59
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God
Did he create the universe?
Is he still alive?
If so is he benevolent and helps black American athletes win races?
What about the white guys who don't win?
Do we praise him for good stuff?
Do we absolve him of blame for bad stuff?
If the answer to bad **** happening is "we have free will" what do we continue to praise him for?
Must we thank him forever more for allowing us to destroy each other and the planet?
It's all absolute nonsense isn't it?
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