Conceding headers

***Irish_Steve*** · 01-08-2021 04:17 PM

Did Ian Crocker say we didn’t concede a header all last season? And now two in the first game?

***hibee_girl*** · 01-08-2021 04:18 PM

**Since452** · 01-08-2021 04:18 PM

Saved them all for the cup

***Irish_Steve*** · 01-08-2021 04:19 PM

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Saved them all for the cup

Just in the league then!

**Andy74** · 01-08-2021 04:26 PM

Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

***3pm*** · 01-08-2021 04:27 PM

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Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

I did wonder if Macey should have been off his line for the 2nd goal.

**SChibs** · 01-08-2021 04:27 PM

An average of 1 a season is still good?

**Key West** · 01-08-2021 04:29 PM

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Perhaps Rocky was the one keeping it all together back there? 😈

A diagonal floated free kick shouldn't cause any defence a problem.

***Lancs Harp*** · 01-08-2021 04:30 PM

If you want to point a finger for both 'Well goals look no further than Gogic.

Great cross for the first but the lad had a free header. Got to be better organised than that, Gogic trying (not very well) to cope with a lad who is 10 foot tall and our two centre baks nowhere to be seen.

We can still get a result out of this.

**SChibs** · 01-08-2021 04:33 PM

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If you want to point a finger for both 'Well goals look no further than Gogic.

Great cross for the first but the lad had a free header. Got to be better organised than that, Gogic trying (not very well) to cope with a lad who is 10 foot tall and our two centre baks nowhere to be seen.

We can still get a result out of this.

Gogic takes a step forward to cover Porto as he is miles from his man and ends up losing his own man.

**~~Allez Hibs~~** · 01-08-2021 04:55 PM

It's fairly obvious the Defence needs rebuilt.

**~~Mr. Wonderful~~** · 01-08-2021 05:46 PM

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It's fairly obvious the Defence needs rebuilt.

Except the defence didn't lose their men, the big solid midfield hard man did.

**hibbysam** · 01-08-2021 06:31 PM

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Gogic takes a step forward to cover Porto as he is miles from his man and ends up losing his own man.

Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

**SChibs** · 01-08-2021 06:33 PM

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Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

If you get the chance to watxh it again you'll see Porteus is a good 2 yards off Mugabe. If the ball is played onto Mugabe Porteus would have been nowhere near him. Looks like Gogic misreads the ball and goes to cover Porto and leaves his man. Both played their part in conceding the goal but Gogic more so.

***Lancs Harp*** · 01-08-2021 06:35 PM

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Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

**hibbysam** · 01-08-2021 06:42 PM

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If you get the chance to watxh it again you'll see Porteus is a good 2 yards off Mugabe. If the ball is played onto Mugabe Porteus would have been nowhere near him. Looks like Gogic misreads the ball and goes to cover Porto and leaves his man. Both played their part in conceding the goal but Gogic more so.

I’ve watched it multiple times. Porto is always in front of the Well player, Gogic is watching him, Nisbet is in behind with the scorer. Gogic then drops back onto the scorer and then forward onto the other player again. He’s the one that can see it all, if he’s worried about the first player then he needed to communicate.

**SChibs** · 01-08-2021 06:43 PM

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Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

I think once the initial corner was cleared each player instinctively picked up a man and Gogic ended up with the big man. We don't concede many headers so best to put it behind us and enjoy the victory

**hibbysam** · 01-08-2021 06:43 PM

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Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

I’m not sure as I’ve not seen a replay of the phase prior to it, just from the final ball in. Gogic was marking Mugabe for the second goal as well though so presuming it was something that was decided pre game.

***Northernhibee*** · 01-08-2021 06:46 PM

I don’t think the defence was helped out by Gogic having a shocker. Part of the reason we were so vulnerable under Heckingbottom was we never replaced Bartley as a player to help our back four out.

**Silky** · 01-08-2021 06:49 PM

I also think we miss Doidge in these situations. He's great at helping the defence out at set-pieces.

**SChibs** · 01-08-2021 07:14 PM

Just seen it on sportscene. Nesbit should have given Gogic a shout and picked up the striker I think. Anyways, onwards and upwards 3 points in the bag

**Tyler Durden** · 01-08-2021 08:19 PM

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Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

They’re both 6”1

Gogic had an all round shocker. Hopefully he makes it a one off but his position shouldn’t be guaranteed anyway. We don’t always need a defensive type in midfield.

**delbert** · 01-08-2021 08:19 PM

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Agree to a degree Sam but should have been better managed. Why was a ten foot tall striker being defended by Gogic?

Spot on, which is why the goals were down to the defence, Hanlon snd Porteous as our main central defenders should be picking up their biggest threats and organising that before the set piece is delivered, that’s what a good leader would do, neither took that responsibility and we got burned. The one defender in our squad who would have sorted that nonsense out was sitting on the bench, as usual under Ross !

**CMurdoch** · 01-08-2021 10:05 PM

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I also think we miss Doidge in these situations. He's great at helping the defence out at set-pieces.

Is the correct answer.
Last time we lost similar goals was in the League Cup Semi Final when..............Doidge didn't play.
He is very important to the way we defend set pieces.

***LaMotta*** · 01-08-2021 10:56 PM

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Porto and Hanlon were still in their positions from the first phase, nothing to do with them, they had men. It was Gogic and Nisbet back door, Gogic being the defensive minded player should’ve had it sorted long before the ball came back in, then panicked and ended up in no mans land.

As Marvin Bartley said at half time though as soon as the ball goes wide Porto and Hanlon (as CH's) have to get back in the middle of the box. He was adamant they were at fault.

**hibbysam** · 01-08-2021 10:59 PM

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As Marvin Bartley said at half time though as soon as the ball goes wide Porto and Hanlon (as CH's) have to get back in the middle of the box. He was adamant they were at fault.

Easier to say when standing watching on a screen and not in the middle of a game, trying to move 4 players around when not knowing how quickly the ball will be recycled. What if those two make a beeline for the middle of the goals and the wide man slips the boy in that Hanlon was marking? This place would go into meltdown!

**AK86** · 01-08-2021 11:04 PM

Big Daz will get a run out next week. He is still such an important player for us , but we have to use him sparingly.
I really don’t think we have a major problem regarding defending headers. That was probably the only two headers they won all game.

**hibbysam** · 01-08-2021 11:19 PM

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Big Daz will get a run out next week. He is still such an important player for us , but we have to use him sparingly.
I really don’t think we have a major problem regarding defending headers. That was probably the only two headers they won all game.

He won’t. That back four will stay the same until a new left back comes in, and rightly so.