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    Quote Originally Posted by BegbieHSC View Post
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    Our most famous, and emotive goal ever came from an absolute stoater of a header, so nah.


    not to mention stokes equaliser in the same game, one of the five in 2007, two of the seven in Ď73, and OíRourkeís bullet against Celtic in the Final a few weeks earlier.

    Hibs without headers? Not for me.


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    not to mention stokes equaliser in the same game, one of the five in 2007, two of the seven in Ď73, and OíRourkeís bullet against Celtic in the Final a few weeks earlier.

    Hibs without headers? Not for me.
    Nobody is looking to rewrite the past though.


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    I've got a different take on this. I don't think it should be outlawed, however being an avid MMA and Boxing fan, I've seen a lot more of the scary affects of CTE and 100% it needs to be tailor to. It's an awful, awful way for anyone to go out/grow old with, and it's something they're noticing in footballers also. Imo we need to take precautions on this, as currently as can only test for CTE AFTER a death, which means management of the issue is about the only way they can work around it. Ban it under certain age groups, and they need to tighten down on the head knocks. If someone needs ANY treatment for a head knock, get them off, let them recover.

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    I don't think football would be the same without heading. I would hope its not as prevalent in players who head the lighter balls nowadays but I suppose that will come out in a few years time.

    On the subject of kids heading. My son is 10 and they don't do heading when he plays. We practice his technique with a sponge ball. He loves that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500miles View Post
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    I think the ball is much lighter know, so that should make a difference.

    If you took heading out of the game, you'd have to move the game in a futsal type direction.
    More that that. It would become futsal played on a full-sized pitch.

    The only way to make it work was to stop balls from going above head height. You could not have balls launched high into the penalty area where no heading was allowed.

    If these sorts of rules were applied, Rugby Union, Rugby League, and American Football would all be banned outright. Boxing would certainly be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500miles View Post
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    I think the ball is much lighter know, so that should make a difference.

    If you took heading out of the game, you'd have to move the game in a futsal type direction.
    Not in favour of banning heading but a lighter ball means it is hit harder and travels faster.

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    The risk of falling off a horse or crashing a car is different to the risk involved in heading a football tho. These are accidents which occur in dangerous sports. Dementia as a result of heading a football is now a proven medical issue and should arguably lead to that part of the game being changed.
    I get how it would have been a problem with an old laced up ball that was twice the weight the second it rained. Is the evidence also there for modern football where there isn't a huge number of headers and the ball is pretty light. I have no issue with heading being banned for kids but in the adult game I can't see the need. Look at ways of the ball being made of different materials of pads on the head or something but don't take away a massive part of the game

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    It would be a completely different game and perhaps if you grew up playing/watching the game without headers it would be OK, but for oldies don't think so.

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    Like almost everyone Iím sure, I definitely donít want to see heading eliminated from the game and I donít think it ever will be. But thereís a definite responsibility to make sure any proven high risk is removed/minimised going forward if we are to continue as is.

    Itís okay us fans saying itís part of the game and sport involves risk. I donít fancy being a big centre half or striker repeatedly putting myself at high risk of developing dementia without anything being done just because the fans say sport involves putting your body on the line.

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    Imagine a Hearts team not allowed to head the ball 😂😂😂😂

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    In all honesty I can see this going forward, it would be a huge change to the way the game is played but teams and tactics would adapt to suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lancs Harp View Post
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    Not in favour of banning heading but a lighter ball means it is hit harder and travels faster.
    True but better coaching helps deal with speed. There is still the likliehood of being hit on the head, head clash, elbow, other trauma, direct free kicks etc. A rule, like old fashioned 5s, above head height, leads to the game having to be played by height categories rather than age. Rob Jones would be banned ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Spaceman View Post
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    Imagine a Hearts team not allowed to head the ball 😂😂😂😂
    They would still be allowed to blooter the ball into space.

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    Can see it getting banned in schools and maybe U18s football. Wouldn't like to see the game without it though.


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    No headers, so, more bicycle kicks!

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    The ball is the issue. A lot of the evidence for the link comes from the days when the ball was actuall leather and when it got wet it was like a canonball. The newer balls are lighter and dont soak up the water but they are still pumped up to a pretty hard pressure so maybe a smaller lower pressure ball?

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    Just play with a lighter ball. Woolworths used to sell them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heretoday View Post
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    Just play with a lighter ball. Woolworths used to sell them.
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    Brilliant for "benders". Inadvertent mind, but anyone could hit that ball like Rivellino and pretend it was meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby View Post
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    The ball is the issue. A lot of the evidence for the link comes from the days when the ball was actuall leather and when it got wet it was like a canonball. The newer balls are lighter and dont soak up the water but they are still pumped up to a pretty hard pressure so maybe a smaller lower pressure ball?
    Pro football being played with a flat ball?!

    I think the lighter ball is probably being hugely overplayed in this. Whilst itís absolutely a fact, theyíre still pumped up hard and as Lancs Hibs said, they travel at some speed compared to older balls. Theyíll be doing a significant amount of damage Iíd imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basehibby View Post
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    Agree with this. There seems to be an ironically UN-healthy obsession in modern society with removing all risk from everything. Living entails risk. Death is part of life.

    Easy to say if your life or that of a loved one hasnít been ruined by early onset dementia due to repetitive injury from playing sport I suppose.

    I am loathe to see heading removed from the game but you canít simply pretend the evidence isnít there.

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    Someone has already mentioned whether corners would still be a thing, but I wonder if heading was banned, whether throw-ins would be scrapped in favour of a kick-in like in futsal. Otherwise, you'd need some sort of rule that you could only throw the ball at chest height.

    I actually watched a YouTube video in the early hours this morning during an insomnia bout about whether throw-ins should be scrapped and replaced with a kick-in in order to improve the amount of time the ball was in play. Interestingly it stated that Rory Delap would often have more touches of the ball with his hands than his feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    Pro football being played with a flat ball?!

    I think the lighter ball is probably being hugely overplayed in this. Whilst itís absolutely a fact, theyíre still pumped up hard and as Lancs Hibs said, they travel at some speed compared to older balls. Theyíll be doing a significant amount of damage Iíd imagine.
    It is about the evidence though. The players who have got dementia etc are from the days when the ball was completely different. Has there been studies on the difference in the balls in terms of their impact etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee View Post
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    No not for me, the ball is so much lighter these days anyway.
    Urban myth, the laws havent changed on the weight of the ball. Technology has advanced so that the ball no longer absorbs moisture making it heavier during a game.

    And no from me, bit like watching one handed boxing.

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    Nothing to do with the laws of the game.

    Take a bone dry ball from the 60s compared to a brand new, bone dry ball today and you think they weigh the same?? No chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhileTheChief.. View Post
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    Nothing to do with the laws of the game.

    Take a bone dry ball from the 60s compared to a brand new, bone dry ball today and you think they weigh the same?? No chance.
    From a non expert point of view the modern materials for footballs must also help absorb some of that impact too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    Someone has already mentioned whether corners would still be a thing, but I wonder if heading was banned, whether throw-ins would be scrapped in favour of a kick-in like in futsal. Otherwise, you'd need some sort of rule that you could only throw the ball at chest height.

    I actually watched a YouTube video in the early hours this morning during an insomnia bout about whether throw-ins should be scrapped and replaced with a kick-in in order to improve the amount of time the ball was in play. Interestingly it stated that Rory Delap would often have more touches of the ball with his hands than his feet.
    The best solution for maximising the amount of time the ball is in play is to stop the watch every time there is any break in play. I think that was discussed a few years back and they were talking about reviewing the amount of actual playing time to compensate. Games could potentially go on for hours otherwise.

    And to answer the OP, no danger heading should be done away with. Its an art imo. Really good headers of the ball are few and far between these days but its still a major part of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamig View Post
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    The best solution for maximising the amount of time the ball is in play is to stop the watch every time there is any break in play. I think that was discussed a few years back and they were talking about reviewing the amount of actual playing time to compensate. Games could potentially go on for hours otherwise.

    And to answer the OP, no danger heading should be done away with. Its an art imo. Really good headers of the ball are few and far between these days but its still a major part of the game.
    Think the proposal was 60 minutes of actual playing time, which was a few minutes up on the average time the ball is in play for.
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