Looking at the hearts game as an example, there’s now going to be around 15,000 people watching the game in groups in pubs snd mates houses when there’ll be 2 stands lying empty where the could have watched it in an outdoor environment that’s much safer.
In answer to the OPs point, that for me is why it’s so important to get people back in grounds. Simply, it’s a safer environment than the alternative option if gathering in pubs and other peoples houses to watch it, where they can cuddle all they want without without being judged by the council.
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28-07-2021 07:55 AM #91
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28-07-2021 07:56 AM #92
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The thing is with restrictions, particularly surrounding football, is that there is such an obvious status quo bias in play. If someone had told you in March 2020 that we are shutting down the country and you will not see a live football match for another 18 months because of a virus that is killing around 7 people a day, you would have looked at them as if they were crazy. But because of all the (justified) trauma that has been suffered in the last 18 months, we maintain restrictions that are now utterly disproportionate and quite possibly causing more harm than good at this point. So much of it comes down to governments (of all stripes) having to be seen to 'do something' in response, regardless of how actually effective their actions can be.
I just hope the Scottish Government maintains its bottle and goes for a full unlocking on the 9th of August, and that includes the mandatory usage of face coverings, which should absolutely become optional. I would rather be kicked out of a stadium for not wearing one than endure 90 minutes with one on, and as for the idea of social distancing and only being able to sit in groups of 4, get that to **** as well. We have all done our bit, we have collectively suffered, we have got vaccinated, it is now time for people to realise that we cannot be captive to 'the science' for years to come, and that life pre-March 2020 was also full of risk and turbulence, but we rightly believed that they were risks worth taking in order to live a full and happy life.
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28-07-2021 07:56 AM #93This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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numbers again. That’s what I’m basing my “not in the middle anymore” on
Nope new variants are still cropping up but they aren’t having anywhere near as much effect on the number of deaths now that people are vaccinated. I was a big supporter of lockdowns etc when the virus was at its deadliest but that’s not the case anymore. For all of these new variants popping up the number of people testing positive was at its lowest since 1st of June yesterday.Last edited by Stuart93; 28-07-2021 at 08:03 AM.
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28-07-2021 08:00 AM #95This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Great post.
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28-07-2021 08:03 AM #96
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As was the case for our home Premier Sports Cup fixture against Inverness CT, the Club submitted a ‘Physical Distanced Capacity’ application to Edinburgh City Council. Our initial application sought permission to welcome 9,920 supporters into the ground.
We were subsequently advised by the local authority that, based on the need to ensure a 1-meter distance between each person within the stadium, our maximum Physical Distanced Capacity would be 6,047 as, in order to ensure said 1-meter distance, we are required to have two empty seats between each person.
For our first game at Tynecastle following this advice we were allowed 50% of the Physical Distanced Capacity. Accordingly, for last Sunday’s fixture against Inverness CT we were permitted to host 3,023 supporters.
For our second game (Celtic this coming Saturday) we are allowed 75% of the Physical Distanced Capacity. Accordingly, the number permitted for Saturday is 4,535.
Should restrictions remain unchanged for our next home fixture (vs Aberdeen on August 21st), we would expect to be allowed to welcome 6,047 supporters (100% of our max. Physical Distanced Capacity).Last edited by Peevemor; 28-07-2021 at 08:08 AM.
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28-07-2021 08:09 AM #98
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Does no one proof-read her stuff?
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28-07-2021 08:10 AM #99This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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28-07-2021 08:12 AM #102
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28-07-2021 08:13 AM #103This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Surely this is just another thing Hearts have got wrong rather than the rest of the country being wrong?
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28-07-2021 08:14 AM #104This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The restrictions will be changing on 9th august, all going well.
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28-07-2021 08:15 AM #105This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It's a bit confusingly worded, but I don't think they're wrong.
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28-07-2021 08:42 AM #109This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Of course new variants etc could exist but even the research is now showing the Delta variant isn’t as bad as first thought.
I would be agreeing with you more if they hadn’t made and distributed a vaccine in record time but do you really think those making vaccines are sitting doing nothing. They are working towards the future and new variants and ways to make covid easier to deal with..1 jab..tablets etc.
I know many are still being cautious which is fine but especially in Scotland when a high % are vaccinated with 1 dose and getting 2nd doses we should be looking forward rather than worrying about the next issue which could be 5 or 10 years down the line.
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28-07-2021 08:46 AM #110This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The majority want to return to watching football outdoors without masks and clubs want fans back in. Scottish football is going to fall further behind other leagues unless they allow revenue streams to open up again.
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28-07-2021 08:47 AM #112
I really don’t understand the mentality of worrying about ‘vaccine evading mutations’
That’s going to happen/ not happen whether there’s 20k folk in a football ground. Can’t keep running from it forever and it’s a shame that people have became so risk averse and I fully believe that’s down to scaremongering from media outlets. Even in 2019 there were diseases/illnesses/viruses that could kill you.
We are fast approaching the point where we’ve done all we can.
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28-07-2021 08:58 AM #113This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The chances of mutations happening are much, much higher when there are billions of viruses in thousands of carriers, spreading them far and wide, giving them new immune systems for them to evolve their way around.
That and the long covid elephant in the room are the two main current problems we have.
Nobody wants any of this to go on any longer than it has to and everything points to us being close to normality again.
The risk is small, but many folk will be anxious whenever that risk is any higher than it needs to be, and that’s where we are whenever there is any “wave” of sorts.
It’s better to acknowledge that a risk is present and small than to shut your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and pretend it doesn’t exist when it does.Last edited by Smartie; 28-07-2021 at 10:44 AM.
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Because we don’t know how it’ll be in 3 months time isn’t a good enough reason for restrictions to remain for a lot of people anymore. We can’t sit scared of the day we haven’t seen
As others have said it’s personal preference, when the football opens up with a larger capacity the people who don’t feel comfortable with it won’t/don’t have to go whereas people who do willLast edited by Stuart93; 28-07-2021 at 09:42 AM.
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28-07-2021 09:45 AM #116
It's time we started learning how to live with Covid, it's not going away. I say that as someone who's working life has been deeply immersed in the whole pandemic since it begun. People have had enough. If you don't feel safe, don't go. It's down to choice. I f we banned everything that had risk attached what kind of world would it be?
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28-07-2021 09:47 AM #117
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28-07-2021 09:51 AM #118This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You were just trying to be smart.
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I struggle with the inconsistency. Take Wimbledon, packed stadium, VIP's not wearing masks, plebs wearing one. It's as if there's one rule for them and another for the rest or maybe royalty and other celeb's can't get Covid. Football should be treated no different from any other sporting event.
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28-07-2021 10:42 AM #120
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To me that's the obvious answer for all of this, prove you've had a vaccine or a recent negative test to get in and once in mask are a personal choice
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