2021-22 season non-Hibs games thread

**Big_Franck** · 11-07-2021 03:13 AM

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I'm just heading out to celebrate here in Buenos Aires

France won the World Cup when I lived in France, Argentina pick up the Copa America when I'm here, maybe I need to head back to Scotland

The Obelisco is the place to be now by the looks of it!

Glad the GOAT got his international trophy. You could see how much it meant to him at the final whistle.

Rodrigo De Paul was the best player on the park for me, he was immense throughout.

**FilipinoHibs** · 11-07-2021 06:06 AM

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The Obelisco is the place to be now by the looks of it!

Glad the GOAT got his international trophy. You could see how much it meant to him at the final whistle.

Rodrigo De Paul was the best player on the park for me, he was immense throughout.

What he spent the whole time fouling Neymar. Brasil deserved at least a draw and in the second half really took the game to Argentina who were cynical foulers and time wasters. Very anti football.

**AugustaHibs** · 11-07-2021 08:36 AM

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What he spent the whole time fouling Neymar. Brasil deserved at least a draw and in the second half really took the game to Argentina who were cynical foulers and time wasters. Very anti football.

Aye cos neymar is as straight up a footballer you’ll find

**MWHIBBIES** · 11-07-2021 08:44 AM

Great to see Messi win an international tournament. Think it's pretty clear he's the best Argentine of all time now.

**Smartie** · 11-07-2021 09:47 AM

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I'm just heading out to celebrate here in Buenos Aires

France won the World Cup when I lived in France, Argentina pick up the Copa America when I'm here, maybe I need to head back to Scotland

How quickly can you get to Italy?

***lord bunberry*** · 11-07-2021 10:13 AM

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Great to see Messi win an international tournament. Think it's pretty clear he's the best Argentine of all time now.

Not even close to Maradona.

***JimBHibees*** · 11-07-2021 10:22 AM

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How quickly can you get to Italy?

**GreenCastle** · 11-07-2021 10:32 AM

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Neither of these two South American giants get near there European counterparts at next years World Cup on that showing

Would disagree.

I don’t think there is any key standout international teams right now. Like the Euros - several teams could easily win the World Cup.

Argentina team isn’t the best they have had for the last few years but they played as a team hence the win.

Fantastic for Messi and well deserved.

Lots of sport on today but worth a watch for the tackles and fouls alone - ripped shorts / bloody socks and while it was stop start it was pretty funny entertainment at times.

**MWHIBBIES** · 11-07-2021 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by lord bunberry

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Not even close to Maradona.

I agree. He is well ahead. You don't score an extra 400 goals because pitches and team mates are better. 400 ****ing goals. The difference is bigger than the number Maradona scored.

Clubs goals

Messi 683
Maradona 310

International goals

Messi 76
Maradona 34

***Moulin Yarns*** · 11-07-2021 10:58 AM

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I agree. He is well ahead. You don't score an extra 400 goals because pitches and team mates are better. 400 ****ing goals. The difference is bigger than the number Maradona scored.

Clubs goals

Messi 683
Maradona 310

International goals

Messi 76
Maradona 34

Aye, but who scored the best goal ever against England 😉

***Callum_62*** · 11-07-2021 11:21 AM

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Aye, but who scored the best goal ever against England

Did England have a dubious goal scored against them?

I thought the commentators would just brush over that.

Strange.

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**MWHIBBIES** · 11-07-2021 11:26 AM

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Aye, but who scored the best goal ever against England 😉

I'll give him that

***Moulin Yarns*** · 11-07-2021 12:10 PM

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Did England have a dubious goal scored against them?

I thought the commentators would just brush over that.

Strange.

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How do you know that was the goal I meant? 😉

***Callum_62*** · 11-07-2021 12:12 PM

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How do you know that was the goal I meant?

Did Maradona score another goal against England?

Must be rarely seen

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***Moulin Yarns*** · 11-07-2021 12:18 PM

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Did Maradona score another goal against England?

Must be rarely seen

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Rising like a butterfly above Shilton to head the ball, you must hand it to him, a true athlete. Aye there was the other fluke that he scored as well. 😉

***BILLYHIBS*** · 11-07-2021 12:25 PM

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I agree. He is well ahead. You don't score an extra 400 goals because pitches and team mates are better. 400 ****ing goals. The difference is bigger than the number Maradona scored.

Clubs goals

Messi 683
Maradona 310

International goals

Messi 76
Maradona 34

Pele

Club goals 1283

International goals 95

Includes all games

**Since90+2** · 11-07-2021 12:29 PM

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Not even close to Maradona.

Not even close? That's just ridiculous. You can make an argument that Maradona was the best ever, I don't think he is but I know plenty people do, but to suggest Messi isn't even close to him is just plain wrong.

Messi is either the best player of all time or very very close to being so.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 11-07-2021 12:44 PM

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Pele

Club goals 1283

International goals 95

Includes all games

Peles actual record is nothing like that.

His record that he claims is an absolute nonsense.

***lord bunberry*** · 11-07-2021 12:55 PM

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I agree. He is well ahead. You don't score an extra 400 goals because pitches and team mates are better. 400 ****ing goals. The difference is bigger than the number Maradona scored.

Clubs goals

Messi 683
Maradona 310

International goals

Messi 76
Maradona 34

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Not even close? That's just ridiculous. You can make an argument that Maradona was the best ever, I don't think he is but I know plenty people do, but to suggest Messi isn't even close to him is just plain wrong.

Messi is either the best player of all time or very very close to being so.

Messi isn’t even the best player of his generation, he has remained in his comfort zone banging in goals against average teams in Spain. Messi has never come close to matching what Maradona did for his country and I’d imagine that if there was a poll in Argentina Maradona would win it hands down. Messi is a genius, but Maradona was the greatest.

**MWHIBBIES** · 11-07-2021 01:05 PM

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Messi isn’t even the best player of his generation, he has remained in his comfort zone banging in goals against average teams in Spain. Messi has never come close to matching what Maradona did for his country and I’d imagine that if there was a poll in Argentina Maradona would win it hands down. Messi is a genius, but Maradona was the greatest.

The old comfort zone of a top league and a top team. Very naive if you think the current Barcelona side is a comfort zone for anyone.

You have a clear favourite, but you're argument isn't based on any real facts.

Even if Messi is the second best player of this generation, he's better than Maradona.

Also, average teams? Willing to bet his record against Big sides and great teams is also significantly better than Maradona. Most goals in classicos, 2nd most CL goals etc. He wins every head to head.

Maradona had a great World Cup in 86. Messi has just won the Copa as top scorer, assister and best player. No one has ever done that at a major tournament

***BILLYHIBS*** · 11-07-2021 01:13 PM

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Peles actual record is nothing like that.

His record that he claims is an absolute nonsense.

Look up Wiki if you don’t believe me but I suppose he could just make it up himself on there

I prefer to go with the official figures 775 and 75 which are still ahead of Messi and Maradona whichever way you might want to look at it

GOAT imho

**~~Iggy Pope~~** · 11-07-2021 01:23 PM

I reckon Pele, Maradona and Messi are close to the best players ever to have played the game.
Same goes for Stanton, McGinn, Dalglish, Cruyff, Beckenbauer, Maldini, Charlton and Best. And both the Ronaldos, Viera, Petit, Pires, Henry and Roy Keane.
The rest of you need a wee set of Top Trumps cards to settle your spats.

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And Zidane was probably the most complete player I was lucky enough to ever see in the flesh, even including all of the above.

**~~calumhibee1~~** · 11-07-2021 01:30 PM

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Look up Wiki if you don’t believe me but I suppose he could just make it up himself on there

I prefer to go with the official figures 775 and 75 which are still ahead of Messi and Maradona whichever way you might want to look at it

GOAT imho

His Wikipedia suggests he scored 709 in 766 appearances at club level with the vast majority of them being scored in a regional tournament with teams from Sao Paolo.

He didn’t fair nearly as well when he played in the proper top tier of Brazilian football where his goals record dropped to about a goal every 1.7 games.

**~~Iggy Pope~~** · 11-07-2021 01:35 PM

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His Wikipedia suggests he scored 709 in 766 appearances at club level with the vast majority of them being scored in a regional tournament with teams from Sao Paolo.

He didn’t fair nearly as well when he played in the proper top tier of Brazilian football where his goals record dropped to about a goal every 1.7 games.

Shabby old Pele!

**Andy74** · 11-07-2021 01:35 PM

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His Wikipedia suggests he scored 709 in 766 appearances at club level with the vast majority of them being scored in a regional tournament with teams from Sao Paolo.

He didn’t fair nearly as well when he played in the proper top tier of Brazilian football where his goals record dropped to about a goal every 1.7 games.

Calling it a regional tournament doesn’t really reflect the high standard - that was just the way it was set up.

His record when he came to play the top European teams of the time is also excellent.

***The Spaceman*** · 11-07-2021 01:38 PM

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The old comfort zone of a top league and a top team. Very naive if you think the current Barcelona side is a comfort zone for anyone.

You have a clear favourite, but you're argument isn't based on any real facts.

Even if Messi is the second best player of this generation, he's better than Maradona.

Also, average teams? Willing to bet his record against Big sides and great teams is also significantly better than Maradona. Most goals in classicos, 2nd most CL goals etc. He wins every head to head.

Maradona had a great World Cup in 86. Messi has just won the Copa as top scorer, assister and best player. No one has ever done that at a major tournament

A quick google of the greatest player ever to play the game and the majority of professional footballers and managers or pundits are saying Leo.

I think his period between 2008-2012 was the highest level of play ever seen in the game by anyone by a considerable difference.

***BILLYHIBS*** · 11-07-2021 01:50 PM

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His Wikipedia suggests he scored 709 in 766 appearances at club level with the vast majority of them being scored in a regional tournament with teams from Sao Paolo.

He didn’t fair nearly as well when he played in the proper top tier of Brazilian football where his goals record dropped to about a goal every 1.7 games.

WTF!

Scored 643 goals for Santos in 660 appearances 77 goals in 92 for Brazil

In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored a hat-trick versus France in the World Cup Semi Final and a double in the World Cup Final versus Sweden

Is that a high enough standard for you?

**~~Iggy Pope~~** · 11-07-2021 01:52 PM

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WTF!

Scored 643 goals for Santos in 660 appearances 77 goals in 92 for Brazil

In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored a hat-trick versus France in the World Cup Semi Final and a double in the World Cup Final versus Sweden

Is that a high enough standard for you?

And 3 WC winners medals of course, kicked senseless out of another one.

**Andy74** · 11-07-2021 01:54 PM

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WTF!

Scored 643 goals for Santos in 660 appearances 77 goals in 92 for Brazil

In 1958 at the age of 17 he scored a hat-trick versus France in the World Cup Semi Final and a double in the World Cup Final versus Sweden

Is that a high enough standard for you?

Remember he thinks that we also now breed super humans.