2021-22 UEFA Coefficient Thread

[SJNB Hibby]

Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

[CMurdoch]

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Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

9th means the Scottish coefficient recovery to an acceptable level is almost complete from an embarrassing 26th a few years ago.
We will pass Russia by this time next season to move into 8th position.
No chance of going higher than 8th with the Netherlands moving away from us as they attempt to bridge the massive gap to Portugal in 6th.
However, 8th best league in Europe is pretty fine and falls in line with the number of fans who watch their teams in our top league compared to attendances for other leagues around Europe.
Also good to see Scotland with 5 teams in Europe for the first time in many years which should see Hibs playing in Europe every season for the foreseeable future.
The downside of 5 teams is that positive Rangers and Celtic results will be worth less points from now on so Hibs, Aberdeen and St Johnstone need to perform even if that just means beating duffers home and away in the early rounds.

P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.

[SJNB Hibby]

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9th means the Scottish coefficient recovery to an acceptable level is almost complete from an embarrassing 26th a few years ago.
We will pass Russia by this time next season to move into 8th position.
No chance of going higher than 8th with the Netherlands moving away from us as they attempt to bridge the massive gap to Portugal in 6th.
However, 8th best league in Europe is pretty fine and falls in line with the number of fans who watch their teams in our top league compared to attendances for other leagues around Europe.
Also good to see Scotland with 5 teams in Europe for the first time in many years which should see Hibs playing in Europe every season for the foreseeable future.
The downside of 5 teams is that positive Rangers and Celtic results will be worth less points from now on so Hibs, Aberdeen and St Johnstone need to perform even if that just means beating duffers home and away in the early rounds.

P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.

I haven't seen that, I can't see an updated uefa table. Do they both have 5 teams in Europe and 1 guaranteed in the group stages? Each team in the group stages gets 4 points...4 divided by 5 is 0.8
I see Prishtina won 2-0....no great surprise there, I'd expect to see Kosovo move a few places up each yeR

[Fergus52]

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P.S. Why do Russia and the Netherlands already have 0.8 of a point on the board for this season?
It affects the numbers you quoted for each country above.

It will be bonus points for automatic group stage qualification to the champions League I think.

[SJNB Hibby]

So this week sees us start to add(hopefully) lots(again hopefully) of Coefficient points via Us, the Dons and the Smellies.
By not participating in the first qualifying rounds, we've seen a few countries below us accumulate some impressive points---Slovenia with 1.375, and Kosovo who are likely on a steady rise up the ranks with 1.5.
The first target is to beat the paltry 4 points we picked up in 2017-18, but bettering the 6.75 from the next season could see us really challenge the top 7. We're almost certainly going to overtake Russia, but keeping close to the Dutch will be difficult. Unfortunately the top 6 are almost uncatchable

[Nevi_SOL]

The 0.8 is automatically added if a team enters in the UCL group stage.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season

[hibbysam]

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i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season

St Johnstone should have a half chance when they drop down, only need to win 1 tie to make the groups. Would Rijeka be seeded for the play off round? Could be huge if we beat them and take their seeding.

[.Sean.]

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i fear our country will have to rely on Sevco getting us those extra points this season

That’s the spirit.

[Fergus52]

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St Johnstone should have a half chance when they drop down, only need to win 1 tie to make the groups. Would Rijeka be seeded for the play off round? Could be huge if we beat them and take their seeding.

Nah they will be unseeded unfortunately.

Europa League is just a competition for champions League drop outs now.

All the decent sides that would be in the later qualifying rounds of the Europa are now just in the conference league instead.

[Juniper Greens]

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Yes it's that time again, and this season with some Hibs input.
The English 2020-21 season ended Sunday, and the 2021-22 ECL started Tuesday, with today seeing Prishtina of Kosovo play Inter Club d'Escaldes for the right to enter the 1st Qualifying Round.
Scotland start the season in 9th place, .55 points ahead of Austria, but only .182 behind Russia, and incredibly less than a point behind the Dutch. Not only that, but this year we get rid of the paltry 4 points gained in 2017-2018, whilst the Russians gained 12.6 points that year, although it was a disaster for the Dutch. Of course 5 teams means fewer points per win, but hopefully Hibs can help us continue to move up the rankings and gain a few automatic group stages.
For those of you that scoff at the Coefficient....I would point out that this year teams from Hungary, Bosnia, Slovenia, Slovakia and Poland are entering the competitions before the Scottish Clubs, so it has its advantages

It's a 5 year average. So we actually are currently 11th (which is where our places for next season will be based) and its the 4.3 points from the year before that drop off this time. The 4.0 points drop off next season. So, if we can get a couple of 8 pointers in their place, we could really jump up.

[hibbysam]

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Nah they will be unseeded unfortunately.

Europa League is just a competition for champions League drop outs now.

All the decent sides that would be in the later qualifying rounds of the Europa are now just in the conference league instead.

Bugger. Would imagine St J’s would be seeded as PSV and Galatasaray will have decent ranking points.

[CMurdoch]

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It's a 5 year average. So we actually are currently 11th (which is where our places for next season will be based) and its the 4.3 points from the year before that drop off this time. The 4.0 points drop off next season. So, if we can get a couple of 8 pointers in their place, we could really jump up.

Nah we are currently 9th and will almost certainly move up to 8th by this time next season.
We finished last season in 11th and jumped up 2 places when the 5 year season drop off subsequently occurred.
Celtic blew it tonight against poor opposition so we could be reliant on Rangers again if they can't get their act together.

[SJNB Hibby]

It's been a good week

[CMurdoch]

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It's been a good week

Other than Celtic blowing it. 0.1 of a point for their draw!
They need to win next week.
Hibs certainly will.

[PatHead]

How many points did Scotland get this week.

[SJNB Hibby]

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How many points did Scotland get this week.

Should be 0.5
Celtic SHOULD add 0.2 next week, as should Hibs. Figure the Don's get a draw, for 0.1 and we have 5 teams in the next round with a point already. Rangers winning their qualifier would add another 0.8

[CMurdoch]

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How many points did Scotland get this week.

0.2 earned by both Hibs and Aberdeen and 0.1 by Celtic
So 0.5 in total
Individual clubs have a UEFA coefficient so Hibs can improve our total again next week.

[AgentDaleCooper]

It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

[SJNB Hibby]

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It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

Too true. If you took our best year and multiplied it by 5, we'd be under 50, just within shouting distance of the top 6, but a bit of a stretch. I guess the target is to better the coefficient number that drops off each year, hope the Old Firm reach the CL group stages, and one or 2 others get the lower competition group stages, and avoid embarassing losses to Malta, Welsh and Luxembourg teams

[hibbysam]

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Too true. If you took our best year and multiplied it by 5, we'd be under 50, just within shouting distance of the top 6, but a bit of a stretch. I guess the target is to better the coefficient number that drops off each year, hope the Old Firm reach the CL group stages, and one or 2 others get the lower competition group stages, and avoid embarassing losses to Malta, Welsh and Luxembourg teams

Our teams really have to be beating all of these sides home and away, allowing us to build more and more. See it in the table just now how 0.100 can make a huge difference to where you finish and that’s the difference between a draw and a win.

[CMurdoch]

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It's kind of mad how we spent years with only 1 champions league place, and now all of a sudden we've almost maxed out what we can realistically hope for - it's very unlikely we'll break into the top six, it would take several simultaneous european runs in consecutive years for that to happen.

No chance of getting above 8th which we will meet in a years time.

As an aside only 10 leagues have ever been in the top 3.
Miraculously that includes Scotland who have achieved 3rd on no less than four occasions...........although the last time was 50 years ago .

[PatHead]

Take it Celtic got nowt last night even though it was a draw at 90 mins?

[CMurdoch]

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Take it Celtic got nowt last night even though it was a draw at 90 mins?

Yeah, brussel sprout.
As things stand Hibs are currently Scotland's top contributors of coefficient points with 0.4 of a point
Aberdeen have earned 0.2 of a point and Celtic only 0.1

Next Tuesday Rangers start their campaign.
In the next round of the conference next Thursday we play Rijeka of Croatia whilst Aberdeen have a more favourable draw against an Icelandic team who beat a decent Austrian team tonight.
Not sure who Celtic play now they have dropped into the Europa league and I don't know how many of their new signings will be available. They definitely need to get their act together.

[hibbysam]

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Yeah, brussel sprout.
As things stand Hibs are currently Scotland's top contributors of coefficient points with 0.4 of a point
Aberdeen have earned 0.2 of a point and Celtic only 0.1

Next Tuesday Rangers start their campaign.
In the next round of the conference next Thursday we play Rijeka of Croatia whilst Aberdeen have a more favourable draw against an Icelandic team who beat a decent Austrian team tonight.
Not sure who Celtic play now they have dropped into the Europa league and I don't know how many of their new signings will be available. They definitely need to get their act together.

Celtic play Jablonec who they should beat, but same would’ve been said about that side last night.
Aberdeen as you say should have a decent chance now.
Hopefully we can start on the front foot next Thursday.

[PatHead]

Are more points awarded next week or is it still 0.2 per game?

[CMurdoch]

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Celtic play Jablonec who they should beat, but same would’ve been said about that side last night.
Aberdeen as you say should have a decent chance now.
Hopefully we can start on the front foot next Thursday.

Well remembered. They weren't so hot in the Czech Republic last season but the fear alone should carry them through this time

In reality our season starts against Motherwell. Fingers crossed for no injuries and a big lead in the 1st half of that match leaving us lots of energy for Thursday.

[hibbysam]

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Are more points awarded next week or is it still 0.2 per game?

Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

[PatHead]

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Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully another 0.4 points in our next games

[CMurdoch]

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Think it’s always 0.2 with bonuses for making the groups, where you finish in the group etc.

It's basically half points in the preliminary rounds so once that is finished a win for Scottish teams becomes worth 0.4 instead of 0.2 of a point and as you say if you progress through the group stages you get bonus points.