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    If there were no departures or signings where do you think we would finish and would we improve on last season?


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    Thatís a really good question. I guess itís hard to say unless we see what squads other teams start the season with but Iíd imagine we would be top 6. Aberdeen will improve I think, hearts will no doubt be stronger than probably 4/5 others. So in short, I donít think 3 teams would improve sufficiently to better our current side to stop us being top 6, anything is too hard to predict I think

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    Thatís a really good question. I guess itís hard to say unless we see what squads other teams start the season with but Iíd imagine we would be top 6. Aberdeen will improve I think, hearts will no doubt be stronger than probably 4/5 others. So in short, I donít think 3 teams would improve sufficiently to better our current side to stop us being top 6, anything is too hard to predict I think
    Pretty much where Iím at.

    Impossible to say without seeing the other teams squads but Iíd be surprised if the same squad would get us 3rd again. Iíd imagine Aberdeen wonít be going on the sort of run they went on this season and Hearts will inevitably take a good few points off us this season. A lot more than Hamilton or Killie who have been relegated did.

    Iíd say top 6 definitely, other than that it would be very difficult to predict.

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    Anywhere between third and fifth.

    Aberdeen have to rebuild their squad under a new manager, and who knows what Hearts will get up to. There will always be at least one of the next rank of clubs which has a good season and gets in the mix as well.

    However with a settled squad (or just a couple of changes eg Mackay) we'd have the advantage of being used to playing together and finishing third demonstrated an overall level of performance (with some ups and downs) which the other clubs would have to match.
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    Among the current contracted squad, several are facing a really important pre-season period.

    For various reasons, that would include Allan, Mallan, Murphy, Magennis, Murray, Wright, Cadden, Mackie, Gullan & MacKay.

    If two or three of the above can step up and stay fit, it would make a significant difference.

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    Iíd say top five on current team and that rule for the others too

    The spine of the team needs beefed up
    Lack of depth coming off the bench in the latter part of the season needs sorted.

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    Top 4 for me if we were to stay free of injuries and guys like Murphy and Magennis hit the ground running.

    Any injury to any of Boyle, Doidge or Nisbet and weíd be very vulnerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by number9dream View Post
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    Among the current contracted squad, several are facing a really important pre-season period.

    For various reasons, that would include Allan, Mallan, Murphy, Magennis, Murray, Wright, Cadden, Mackie, Gullan & MacKay.

    If two or three of the above can step up and stay fit, it would make a significant difference.
    Getting a full season out of these players is key, even if it was only to give us a stronger bench or better options off the bench. We'll be fighting it out for 3rd/4th again i think
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    5th - 7th.

    Rangers and Celtic miles away and whilst we should get the odd point, most of our games against them will be very narrow defeats. I just don't see us beating either of them with what we have.

    Aberdeen will be better - they need to be. Hearts have the odd decent player and you'd expect them to spend somebody's money on improving what they have. I'd also expect them to have the better of us head to head.

    It's probably between us and St Johnstone from there. They should get the better of us head to head but do struggle a bit for goals. St Mirren shouldn't be too far behind.

    We've been a bit lucky with injuries in certain positions (although we have been quite badly affected with injuries to the expected players with the poor recent injury records) and really lack depth going forward. A bit of bad luck with a long term injury to Boyle, Doidge or Nisbet and we'd be scuppered.


    I do actually think we have the makings of an excellent squad - the core is there, but as it stands it needs a bit of work. The players brought in in January made a big difference and if we lose Irvine I think we're going to need a pretty robust replacement if we're not to slip to the sort of form we saw around Christmas, which was pretty awful really.

    There are a few players who might contribute significantly if they can stay injury free and get fully fit - Allan, Murphy, Magennis, Cadden - but it has to be said that that is looking to be a pretty big "if".

    We also got a cracking shift last season out of certain players who you wonder whether or not we'd get the same again - McGinn was outstanding, Hanlon was very good indeed, McGregor top notch when called upon. You also wonder whether a bit of the surprise factor might go into Doig's second season and teams will wise up to his threat down that side a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by number9dream View Post
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    Among the current contracted squad, several are facing a really important pre-season period.

    For various reasons, that would include Allan, Mallan, Murphy, Magennis, Murray, Wright, Cadden, Mackie, Gullan & MacKay.

    If two or three of the above can step up and stay fit, it would make a significant difference.
    I'm pretty sure the current squad would finish next season 3rd.
    Lots of midfield players to return and young guys to improve with another season under their belt

    Nisbet has had a season to bed in and his confidence in his ability will be increased with making the Euro's squad, scoring against Holland etc.
    Has had a good season and next season will be even better. A great one touch finisher.

    The midfield is worthy of discussion with lots of midfield players coming to Hibs last season off the back of bad injuries. They are settled in now and appear over the injuries. Add a preseason and they will hopefully all be ready to make a bigger and more consistent impact.

    Of those players the biggest improvement should come from Kyle Magennis. He basically hasn't started yet, however, the positives are that it is now almost17 months since his injury, there has been no reoccurrence and he is looking physically powerful. Fingers crossed he is ready to join the party now and be the player Ross was desperate to sign.
    Cadden did well for a couple of games last season but probably wasn't conditioned and eventually hurt himself pretty badly. Will be another good addition to last seasons team. Similarly Murphy who finally looked over his niggling injuries as the season ended. Again, will be a more regular starter and add more of an x factor to our team.
    Wright really struggled to make an impact when playing early in the season. Well over his injury now and settled into the club he appeared a better option near the end of the season. Hope he can kick on now but it will be hard to find a place in the team given the other midfield options.

    Returning midfielders Allan and Mallan. It has previously proved difficult to accommodate either in our team despite their obvious gifts but the addition of the more combative abilities and legs of Irvine, Gogic and Cadden may now allow their reintroduction (1 at a time) without the issues of before..

    Doig and Porteous will continue to improve

    Can Gullan or Murray step up after more experience in their loans last season.
    Can Mackie start the season fully fit and avoid further injury. Was looking really good before his injury last season. Fingers crossed for the kid.

    So in conclusion, we have lots of good players to add to the guys who finished 3rd last season who for a variety of reasons didn't play much last season as well as lots of young players with another season under their belt. Accordingly the current squad would easily finish 3rd again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    5th - 7th.

    Rangers and Celtic miles away and whilst we should get the odd point, most of our games against them will be very narrow defeats. I just don't see us beating either of them with what we have.

    Aberdeen will be better - they need to be. Hearts have the odd decent player and you'd expect them to spend somebody's money on improving what they have. I'd also expect them to have the better of us head to head.

    It's probably between us and St Johnstone from there. They should get the better of us head to head but do struggle a bit for goals. St Mirren shouldn't be too far behind.

    We've been a bit lucky with injuries in certain positions (although we have been quite badly affected with injuries to the expected players with the poor recent injury records) and really lack depth going forward. A bit of bad luck with a long term injury to Boyle, Doidge or Nisbet and we'd be scuppered.


    I do actually think we have the makings of an excellent squad - the core is there, but as it stands it needs a bit of work. The players brought in in January made a big difference and if we lose Irvine I think we're going to need a pretty robust replacement if we're not to slip to the sort of form we saw around Christmas, which was pretty awful really.

    There are a few players who might contribute significantly if they can stay injury free and get fully fit - Allan, Murphy, Magennis, Cadden - but it has to be said that that is looking to be a pretty big "if".

    We also got a cracking shift last season out of certain players who you wonder whether or not we'd get the same again - McGinn was outstanding, Hanlon was very good indeed, McGregor top notch when called upon. You also wonder whether a bit of the surprise factor might go into Doig's second season and teams will wise up to his threat down that side a bit.
    We always seem to give other teams the benefit of getting much better! Those teams also need a lot of work and probably less work than the team that finished 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    We always seem to give other teams the benefit of getting much better! Those teams also need a lot of work and probably less work than the team that finished 3rd.
    The question was about how our present squad would get on though.

    We finished third, but Aberdeen were absolutely dreadful for the second half of the season. Terrible. They'd have to go some to appoint a new manager (with, you'd expect, a new manager bounce with a fresh start) and spend more money than we will in order to end up with the likes of Kamberi et al trying to pick up results for them.

    Hearts are Hearts. They need to improve drastically but you'd expect them to have a bit of financial muscle relative to us. We're a bit vulnerable to them getting their act together one day, because they've been horrifically wasteful in recent years. And I'm just not sure I fancy Jack Ross to have what it takes to get the upper hand in derbies, given the results he's achieved in the past 2, given the circumstances surrounding those games.


    I actually do expect us to improve. The players I expect to leave I don't think we'll miss as much as some past big departures. And I do think Ross/ Mathie have done well in the past at identifying shortcomings and addressing them in the transfer market. We've been shrewd there before and whilst I'd expect Aberdeen and Hearts to spend more, I'd expect us to spend better.

    So once we've improved I expect there not to be much between the 3.

    All depends on summer transfer activity - and FWIW I prefer our starting point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    The question was about how our present squad would get on though.

    We finished third, but Aberdeen were absolutely dreadful for the second half of the season. Terrible. They'd have to go some to appoint a new manager (with, you'd expect, a new manager bounce with a fresh start) and spend more money than we will in order to end up with the likes of Kamberi et al trying to pick up results for them.

    Hearts are Hearts. They need to improve drastically but you'd expect them to have a bit of financial muscle relative to us. We're a bit vulnerable to them getting their act together one day, because they've been horrifically wasteful in recent years. And I'm just not sure I fancy Jack Ross to have what it takes to get the upper hand in derbies, given the results he's achieved in the past given, given the circumstances surrounding those games.


    I actually do expect us to improve. The players I expect to leave I don't think we'll miss as much as some past big departures. And I do think Ross/ Mathie have done well in the past at identifying shortcomings and addressing them in the transfer market. We've been shrewd there before and whilst I'd expect Aberdeen and Hearts to spend more, I'd expect us to spend better.

    So once we've improved I expect there not to be much between the 3.

    All depends on summer transfer activity - and FWIW I prefer our starting point.
    So youíre still allowing everyone else to get betterÖ

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    If itís going by our current squad itís only fair to judge on other teams present squads.

    If the league started tomorrow with no other signings or departures for either team Iíd say 3rd.

    Aberdeen have no strikers and as it stands the biggest competition would be St Johnstone who canít rely on their defence all season and Rooney scoring the odd header.

    Yes Aberdeen and hearts will improve, but so will we.

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    Iím excited about the new lad from ICT. Scott Allan could be huge for us if he can come back for and firing to

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    Aberdeen do need to get better, but there's absolutely no guarantees they will.

    Hearts are gash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calmbegbie View Post
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    Iím excited about the new lad from ICT. Scott Allan could be huge for us if he can come back for and firing to
    Mackay was tremendous for the Scotland U21s yesterday by all accounts. Full of pace and running, shouldíve had a goal himself and won the penalty for the winner.

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    Mackay was tremendous for the Scotland U21s yesterday by all accounts. Full of pace and running, shouldíve had a goal himself and won the penalty for the winner.
    Good to hear, looking forward to hopefully seeing him play at Easter Road in the not too distant future

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    Fans being allowed might make a difference as well, it was easier for some teams to play away, sometimes even at our expense!🙄

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    3rd, improve the home form, dropped to many points at ER this season, and need to take points from Rangers and celtc and we would stroll 3rd, I do think we have a good squad for the new season ahead if we keep everyone, will be down to the manager to improve us and make us harder to beat at home, our away form has been very good and keep that up we can only improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy74 View Post
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    So youíre still allowing everyone else to get betterÖ
    The question is surely what will happen with our present squad which surely means if we donít really get any better? I donít think itíll be debated much that Aberdeen and especially Hearts will be better next season. The thread is asking about us with our current squad though, so we canít presume weíre going to be better. Itís not the question being asked.

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    If itís going by our current squad itís only fair to judge on other teams present squads.

    If the league started tomorrow with no other signings or departures for either team Iíd say 3rd.

    Aberdeen have no strikers and as it stands the biggest competition would be St Johnstone who canít rely on their defence all season and Rooney scoring the odd header.

    Yes Aberdeen and hearts will improve, but so will we.
    Surely that depends who we lose?

    If we lose Nisbet, Boyle, Doig, Porteous and Irving, is it likely weíll improve?

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    4th as think Aberdeen will improve. Wouldnít win a cup though.

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    Anything from 3rd to 8th. It was a poor league last season, I suppose it depends on whether people think we had more 'good' games than 'bad' ones. We had one or two good spells when we looked good, but plenty of piss poor performances too. We finished 3rd and St Johnstone finished 5th but considering we played them 4 times without scoring a goal it's quite hard to make a case for saying we're better than them, but apart from the top 2 places the rest of the league is a lottery, and I'm not convinced this current team is anywhere near consistent enough to finish 3rd next season. Obviously I hope I'm totally wrong though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    Surely that depends who we lose?

    If we lose Nisbet, Boyle, Doig, Porteous and Irving, is it likely weíll improve?
    If we lost all these guys without good replacements, we might struggle a bit. Even with decent replacements, it might take a while to gel. So if we keep the nucleus of the present team, I think we should be looking at top four. If we lose most of them, a top six place is realistic.

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    Question is do we have confidence with this team to with the derbies next season ?

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    Fancying us for 3rd again next year, even if we lose the players rumoured to go I reckon weíll replace them adequately

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    3rd at best, 5th at worst.

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    Everyone banking on Aberdeen improving, based on what? Theyíre losing majority of their squad, theyíve got a rookie manager, theyíll have Scott brown who is well past his sell by date, they donít have an endless supply of money considering their losses and the new stadium coming. I think theyíll be worse than this season. By all accounts they were very poor second half, but they were well above average for the first half.

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