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Thread: When we gonna get over it ?
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07-06-2021 07:54 AM #331
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07-06-2021 08:10 AM #332
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07-06-2021 08:12 AM #333This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
How is it a boom or bust strategy?
St Johnstone have had a wonderfully successful season, largely at our expense. I’ll bet they wish they could play us every week.
This isn’t like Livi in 2004 who beat us to the league cup by spending money they didn’t have on better players. This is a St Johnstone squad built on a much smaller budget (including several players deemed not good enough for Hibs) who had our number.
If that doesn’t prompt some serious soul searching, I don’t know what does. We blew it big time, and I’m not in the mood to hear platitudes about how great the boys were in the league. I want to hear from a management team that has realised where we went wrong and is taking steps to address those failings.
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07-06-2021 08:14 AM #334
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The best way to chase the cups is to also be consistent in the league but for some reason it feels like a lot of folk are happy to write off consistency in the league while forgetting if we were inconsistent that they’d be raging and want the manager sacked - creating more instability which in turn makes us less likely to win all the cups.
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07-06-2021 08:39 AM #335
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As many posters have stated, finishing third in the league is second best to winning a Cup-especially our Holy Grail, the Scottish Cup. I think Jack Ross only has a few credits left in the bank but obviously hope he and Hibs succeed. Last season was a massive opportunity to have bagged at least one piece of silverware and so will hurt for a good while ..
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07-06-2021 08:50 AM #336This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-06-2021 10:36 AM #338
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I have to admit that the games against St Johnstone are what concerns me about Ross. They were all the same and he didn’t seem to have a plan b of an idea of what to do to take st Johnstone out of their comfort zone. That’s what concerned me more than anything else about the manner in which we lost the final tbh
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07-06-2021 11:00 AM #339This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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07-06-2021 11:27 AM #341This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
St Johnstone weren’t. Tommy Wright left.
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07-06-2021 11:32 AM #342This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Regular average seasons with a cup win every now and again is what we’ve had historically, albeit with fewer cup wins than we’d want.
St Johnstone are a consistent top 6 side, which helped them achieve what they’ve achieved. We’ve been relegated, stayed in the Championship for three seasons while we rebuilt, and St Johnstone have been able to use that stability and relative success to get success.
We’ve been building and were very close to achieving it as well.
The sustainable approach, in terms of keeping fans coming through the gates and building a solid financial footing, is to build a team that consistently competes at the top end of the table, and in doing do you also set up for winning cups on a more regular basis.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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07-06-2021 11:33 AM #343This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteFollow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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07-06-2021 11:46 AM #344This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I agree, you would expect a team that finishes at the top end of the table to have a more solid foundation and compete for cups. That said, Hibs have been rebuilding the club from the time we were relegated, the time in the Championship is a bit skewed by the nature of the competition we faced. I suspect our budget whilst in the Championship was still considerable greater than St Johnstone's? We've still seen significant investment in Hibs these past seven or so years, no matter which league we were in?
Ideally we could have a team that is always in the top six and.....here's the big one, one that wins more games at Hampden than it loses. Eight appearances at Hampden since 2016 and one win, with only three of those games v any of the Old Firm. That isn't a sustainable approach, it's soul destroying. A bit more achieving it, and a few less tepid performances is all we ask for.
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07-06-2021 12:05 PM #345This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteFollow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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07-06-2021 12:54 PM #346This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Fair point.
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07-06-2021 12:56 PM #347This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I’m still baffled here though, I’m afraid.
I don’t see anything risky about the way St Johnstone have gone about their business. They’ve just been significantly better at it than us.
Just have to leave it at that.
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07-06-2021 12:58 PM #348This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
They won 11 league matches all season. From 38, that is poor.
Stubbs very nearly won both cups, and folk still give him stick for the poor league season. This would be no different.
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07-06-2021 01:00 PM #349
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For all the talk of them being this really good team, they’re actually a bit ****.Last edited by calumhibee1; 07-06-2021 at 01:15 PM.
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07-06-2021 01:24 PM #351This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
What they do have and shouldn't be ignored is team spirit in abundance, all their players are carefully picked to fit in with each other and are made to feel that St Johnstone is their home.
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07-06-2021 01:35 PM #352
I’d love us to be **** enough to win a cup double.
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07-06-2021 01:58 PM #353This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Top 6 in 8 out of the last ten seasons, including a third and three consecutive fourth place finishes. They’ve built steadily towards this point. I think they’re only on their second manager of that period as well.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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07-06-2021 02:00 PM #354
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After 2016 similar noises were made about this just being the beginning, culture at the club has moved and we'll start seeing more success. We've undoubtedly had some good years after that, but I don't think we've really kicked on to the extent I hoped.
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07-06-2021 02:06 PM #355This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The St Johnston of old were clearly also rans... that's no longer the case.
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07-06-2021 03:06 PM #356
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07-06-2021 03:28 PM #357This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Can you imagine this board had we lost more matches than we actually did, and the team was languishing outside a European place before the quarters or the semi or even the final ?
The frothers would be wanting everyone from the manager down to the tea lady sacked for such a horrendous season, some of our horror shows would be slaughtered for weeks and the negativity would know no bounds.
But everything would turn out ok in the end, because we would have won the cup.
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07-06-2021 03:33 PM #358This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
When we sold the golden generation, we had huge debt to repay, we built the training centre and later built the East Stand.
We’ve almost no debt now (other than the known government loan of £2m over 20 years, interest free).
When we previously brought in money for transfers, we spent pretty poorly - we’ve got a functioning recruitment team now.
We’ve got a better youth set up, now seeing partnerships with other clubs to improve our players but also to give access to better players.
While nothing in football is guaranteed, and you can have a season where things go very wrong, the trend towards getting to the later stages of cup competitions is happening by design, rather than accident.
It won’t be a smooth upward trend all the time, there will be bumps along the way as we’ve seen already, but plan and ambitions that the club are working towards are very much about making us a consistently successful (by most measures) side.
Through the STF and Petrie days, the club strategy was to do the most with the money were brought in -spend a pound less than we take in, and given the owner’s preferences for how he saw the club, that was about as good a strategy as we could get - build the infrastructure and make that money work for you.
We now have an opener with a bit more of an appetite for calculated risk and I’d be amazed if Ron Gordon’s eventual exit strategy doesn’t involve him handing over a much bigger, much more successful club than the one he took over.
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07-06-2021 05:01 PM #359
Yip! I remember Fergus McCann rode off into the sunset with a young blonde Glaswegian Lawyer on his arm
If Ron can do half as good a job I will be happy
Seem to remember McCann getting nothing but abuse from the best supporters in the land
I digress
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07-06-2021 07:25 PM #360This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
As a well known frother yourself, don’t be blaming that solely on others.
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