We need to cash in our chips and rebuild.
Have not seen as passion-less performance since Matt Doherty pulled on a shirt for us.
Invest in young hungry kids and use McGregor, lewis and Grey to mentor them. The rest can all get their dream move down south, to the back-passers paradise. Entice some hungry promising raw young players with European football and rebuild.
I still like the look of Booth and know he wasn't in a good space for a few years, but he reminded me what we are missing. Not suggesting we bid for him though.
We need hunger back in this squad, simple as that!
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Thread: Big Clearout needed
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24-05-2021 04:13 AM #1
Big Clearout needed
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24-05-2021 07:19 AM #2
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Despite the result and performance on Saturday this squad finished 3rd which was the priority at the start of the season. Everyone will agree the squad isn't perfect but rather than a complete overhaul I think 3 or 4 quality additions is the way to go.
Ideally we would reinvest any fees to replace the departing player, sign a proven goalscorer to compete with Doidge and Nesbitt. If Allan is not going to be fit enough to start/play every game then a quality playmaker in the middle of the park is also required. I think with a full pre season behind him Magennis will prove himself to be a valuable member of the squad too.
We've seen from Hearts over the last few years the rebuild and scattergun every summer doesn't work.
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24-05-2021 07:40 AM #3
I'd lose no sleep over Irivne not staying. I really haven't seen enough from him to suggest we should be falling over ourselves to sign him. Having said that he hadn't kicked a ball in months before signing for us so I guess a bit of bedding in time was deserved. I'd rather get Campbell in but it would appear that ship has sailed.
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24-05-2021 07:53 AM #4
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We already have the players to do that. My finger is pointing at JR. Overall he gets plus marks, but a big minus vs Saints.
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24-05-2021 07:54 AM #5
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A clear out is the last thing we need. We have a great foundation to build on.
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24-05-2021 07:58 AM #6
I don't think a big clearout is the answer - over the course of the season we've done well and shouldn't lose sight of that.
Our squad may look a bit different if our hand is forced when/if bids come in for Doig, Porteous, Boyle, and Nisbet though. We'll just have to see.
We've got macey to be our #1, and Mackay coming in upfront - hopefully we'll see more from Magennis, Murphy, and Allan next year too compared to what they had the chance to offer us this season.
We've got the foundations of a good squad there and with 1/2 additions we'll be competing for 3rd and the cups again - overhauling the squad at this point would be reckless.
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24-05-2021 08:33 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
The performance on Saturday was so bad it was almost surreal, I cannot fathom what the hell went on inside the manager and players heads.
But it's gone now and though it will hurt for a while yet, life goes on. It is what it is. I think the bones have been picked dry, we have to move on.
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24-05-2021 09:08 AM #8
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Don't see a major overhaul but think Saturday has just sealed the transfers of Nesbit, Porteous and Doig - all for different reasons. Not convinced Irvine is the best we can do in his position but we need to hold onto the likes of Boyle & Doidge. They are two players who normally give 100% and are capable of raising their game if surrounded by better players.
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24-05-2021 09:16 AM #10
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It depends on who we sell.
Definitely loads of room to improve - we need to freshen up the squad with numbers to cover us in Europe. Midfield isn’t great - lack of goals and creativity- not fussed if Irvine goes. I think Newell is over rated as well.
If Boyle and or Nisbet go we’ve got a load of goals to replace so need midfield to start chipping in.
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24-05-2021 09:20 AM #11
I don't think a big clear out is needed but I agree we should cash in on some players, Nisbet and Porteous are the two I would look to get a decent fee as I believe we can find just as good replacements. We should try to hold onto Doig if we can but an offer may be to good to refuse. Irvine can go as well he's been a disappointment and not had the impact we were hoping for. I feel we really missed out on Mcrorie.
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24-05-2021 10:51 AM #12
A clearance would be stupidity so won't happen.
Unfortunately we could now be out of Europe by the time the league season starts at the end of July so we won't need to be stocking up a big squad early for that now.
I suspect the new winger Mackay was brought in early because the club know Boyle will be leaving. One other player may be sold and the money for both will finance 3-4 new starters. Stephen McGinn and Marciano won't return and SDG will only play for Hibs in circumstances such as he played this season.
We don't know if Irvine will be here next season but we have a massive number of midfielders to add to the current team and new players can't come in unless others leave. Hopefully after a good pre season the fringe midfielders almost all of whom were coming back this season from bad injuries will step up.
That's Cadden, Magennis, Wright, Allan, Mallan, Mackie and even Murphy. That is a big chunk of midfielders so again no ins for midfield without outs.
The young guys including Gullan and Murray will also return to pre season for assessment.
In conclusion no clearance but expecting a handful of outs and 3 good starters in over the summer.Last edited by CMurdoch; 24-05-2021 at 10:58 AM.
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24-05-2021 10:52 AM #13
Absolutely not.
A few players to strengthed the squad, a real quality forward and midfielder, and replace whoever leaves.
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24-05-2021 11:08 AM #15
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Do we need a clearout? No The league table doesn't lie.
We do however seriously need to strengthen the midfield, we have got away with it over the season with the form of Doige Nisbet and Boyle, but to give them the service they need we have to go for players of the ilk of Campbell Motherwell, or even Power Kilmarnock IMO
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For me, and I've thought this for a while, we've a midfield that lacks energy and creativity when playing the better more organised teams. It's okay when we're playing against teams that gives our players space (I include Celtic and The Rangers in those teams), but we struggle against teams like St. Johnstone and the Hertz.
On Saturday, and in other games, Newell lacked any urgency to break forward, instead playing the ball back or sideways, or to run back to plug gaps - don't get me wrong, I like Newell but he needs to be better than Saturday. The same can be said for many of our central midfield players and I include Halberg, Mallan and Irvine in that group. They neither drive our team forward nor are able to impose themselves on a stuffy midfield. A fit Allan could have made a difference, but he's not getting any younger
I'm happy with our defence and I'm happy with our attack, but we need a clear-out in midfield. I think that Halberg, Mallan and Irvine will be away anyway, so it's going to happen. We just need to make sure that they are replaced by the young and energetic individuals that you mention.
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24-05-2021 11:46 AM #19
No clear out needed.
But previously i was hesitant about selling Porto and Doig but after Saturdays performance by the team it wont make much difference if they go.
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24-05-2021 11:49 AM #21
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24-05-2021 11:53 AM #24
No clear out needed. People will leave , and where we can , we should try to replace with as good, or better. Over the period of the season , Aberdeen will be the competition for us again for third. If we can stay ahead of them , we can kick on and achieve third next year again. That has to be the target for next season.
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24-05-2021 11:55 AM #25
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Baring in mind we'll have Cadden, Allan, Mallan back in the squad next season I think we are looking a strong bet for 3rd again next season. Might be a few leaving (including Mallan) but one or two players inward and we'll be fine. Said on another thread that Jack Ross will now know who doesn't have the character to play in games like Saturday.
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24-05-2021 12:02 PM #26
I have a feeling Allan will be away unfortunately he isn’t a Jack Ross type of player.
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Gallagher will be an improvement at the back for Aberdeen but Brown and JET for different reasons won't be the answer.
They have a few decent young players that they blooded towards the end of the season and they might improve things when mixed with the new players.
As ever time will tell but as things stand Glass doesn't fill me with confidence so they will be looking at 4th again.
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24-05-2021 12:05 PM #28
Definite keep:
Macey
Doidge
Doig
Stevenson
Hanlon
McGregor
Cadden
Gogic
McGinn
Allan - hopefully a good pre-season will see him right.
Murphy
Magennis
Gullan
Cash in on
Boyle
Nisbet
Porteous
Doig - if the offer is very good, circa £4million.
Meh
Newall - doesn't do what he has done nearly often enough
Hallberg - failed to hold down regular spot
Mallan - ditto Hallberg
Irvine - I haven't seen anything like enough from him, hes had time to show it too, certainly not worth breaking the bank for.
So out of my 'keepers' I've got a team of (442 diamond):
Macey
Cadden/McGinn McGregor Hanlon Doig/Stevenson
Gogic
Magennis Murphy
Allan
Doidge Gullan
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24-05-2021 12:09 PM #30
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No clearout for me. The foundation is good and I think this season, in terms of signings, was about getting in quality players who would either bring in some cash on resell or provide the backbone of the squad for the next few years. That was achieved for me.
Our big problem this year was drive and goals from the middle of the park and cover for our front two. Irvine was close to being the drive and goals and he could easily have got 8-10 goals given the chances he missed. I'd be fine if we could get him as long as he was not too expensive and I would get another midfielder who has legs. Another two strikers needed for me. Having only two central strikers was always going to be a stupid decision and losing 1-0 in a Cup Final with no striker to through on is ridiculous for a club of our size.
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