No, we're not signing him. The shocking statistic is he ended up our joint highest scoring midfield player in the league this season. Newell, Gogic, Murphy, Irvine, Hallberg, Wright, Cadden, Mallan & Allan started 128 league games, 177 appearances in total & scored 5 goals. Statistically Stephen McGinn was our best scoring midfielder with 1 goal in 5 sub appearances!
Sorry to start yet another depressing thread but I'm fed up with seeing the usual suspects, Hanlon & Porteous being pilloried on social media. The fact is our defence had our best top league record for 20 years, 3 of the 4 were called up by Scotland & the 4th won young national POTY. Our midfield don't score, as above & unfortunately they rarely create chances either. This results in the defence continually going long (& we scored against Sheep & Dundee Utd recently in that manner).
I know the above is simplistic & it can be argued that the midfield contribute to the defensive record & that they also allow us to play a front 3. If we want more creativity however, a la Scott Allan, then we probably need to make sacrifices elsewhere. Either play a back 3 or a front 2 or 1. That for me is the conundrum that JR needs to resolve for next season, unfortunately he failed on that count yesterday.
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23-05-2021 09:23 AM #1
Alan Power, Killie
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23-05-2021 09:26 AM #2
Awful stats. Really need more goals from the midfield. Both Irvine and Newell seriously lack the composure/quality required when in front of goal.
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23-05-2021 09:28 AM #3
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It’s been a clear weakness all season. If Doidge, Boyle or Nisbet don’t score, we’re toiling.
The midfield performance yesterday didn’t surprise me in the slightest.
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23-05-2021 09:30 AM #4
Our midfield do not shoot anywhere near enough, which 100% goes back to the manager.
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23-05-2021 11:10 AM #6
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Boyle has to be included if the likes of Cadden, Wright and Murphy are being used.
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23-05-2021 11:14 AM #7
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23-05-2021 11:16 AM #8
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Newell and Irvine have been vastly over rated by many on here. Nowhere near consistent enough.
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23-05-2021 11:59 AM #9
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I had hoped he might have started Stevenson at left back and Doig in place of Irvine which would have put a bit more pace down the left further up the park. St Johnstone had been poor in that area of their defence in the semi. It couldn't have been any worse than the performance yesterday. The lack of pace and drive in the midfield is obvious.There were plenty of posters on here wanting Irvine signed but I've still to see what the fuss was about. Some say he is played out of position but when he moves central he has very little impact either.
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23-05-2021 12:00 PM #10
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What this highlights for me is that it really is our midfield that needs sorted for next season, we have not had drive and the killer pass or goals from midfield since John McGinn and the Scott Allan illness, with a player of this ilk in the team yesterday, the tactics could have have been changed and we could have found a way through their defence IMO
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23-05-2021 01:00 PM #11
Newell's lack of urgency is really annoying at times, and also the fact he doesn't score many goals at all. Irvine plays further forward a lot of the time and at least tries to get into good positions, but his first touch is awful. Have yet to see anything that Maginnis adds to the team, but maybe it's early days as I think Ross has signed him on a 5 year contract..
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23-05-2021 01:07 PM #15
I’ve long thought the midfield has been the route of or problems. Players, Newell in particular, make us less than the sum of our parts IMO. Our best midfield performance was the home game against Aberdeen when we went 352 and had Gogic, Irvine & Murphy. Why have we not see that again.
Ross seems to have his favourites and picks them instead of an overall plan as to how the midfield will fit together and compliment each other. That and his bizarre insistence that a lopsided 442 and hang a midfielder, as well as Doig, out to dry by chucking them out somewhere vaguely on the left.
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23-05-2021 01:36 PM #17
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They’re all good players imo but it’s impossible to deny that the midfield is still a problem. Any of the players might be part of a solution but tbh any of them leaving might also be part of the solution.
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23-05-2021 10:14 PM #24
I feel Newell and Irvine are fine together as they both have legs and energy and not scared of a tackle however we need an attacking midfielder with them. If SA can get back fit and firing then great but if not we need someone who can be creative and chip in with a few goals. We were crying out for creativity yesterday as we were far too predictable of going long or just going wide and hitting it into the box
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24-05-2021 12:37 AM #26
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Newell constantly flatters to deceive pirouetting and mostly passing backwards or sideways. Gogic is good at breaking up play from the opposition but generally gives it back to them because of his lack of ball control and pass accuracy. Irvine is very one paced and not nearly as good as some make him out to be. If you combine these shortcomings with their inability to contribute to goal scoring as outlined above you have to wonder why they are in the team. Much more dynamism is required in that area of the pitch and players like Campbell (Motherwell) and McCann (St Johnstone) are required if we want to seriously compete for 3rd place in the league and to reach cup finals next season again in what will be a much more difficult top 12 next year.
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24-05-2021 09:43 AM #27
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24-05-2021 09:46 AM #28
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When he’s good he’s good, but nowhere near often enough.
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24-05-2021 09:48 AM #29
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