Ayr, Falkirk, Dunfermline, Dundee Utd, Hearts etc

[Sammy7nil]

Can anyone put their finger on why despite new Owners , CEO, Managers, players, why are we so weak mentally and physically it must be passed down generation to generation I just don’t under stand why ?

And before folk shout Brora etc can you seriously name a team that under performes as much as Hibs?

Hearts 4-0 and 5-1 when it counts 🙈 lose yes but for **** sake getting stuffed is unacceptable.

Yet here we are again now four defeats in a row against St Johnstone no goals scored.

Aberdeen sacked their manger for finishing fourth despite having credits in the bank.

Should Jack be under pressure for finishing third in a very poor league?

For me after today the jury is out 🙁

[Zambernardi1875]

After we got beat by hearts I said Ron Gordon is a good businessman and Jack Ross is bad for business. After watching his interview during the week I’m more convinced the direction he wants to take hibs far succeeds Jack Ross ability to take us there. COVID was a disruption to his plans, Jack Ross is a stop gap.

[Swedish hibee]

PSG. For all their money, what have they won? And Sunderland. If you think, we've got it bad today...

[matty_f]

This is nonsense. Seriously??

Were we weak mentally when we won the championship, the semi final, the must-wins v Aberdeen?

[Sammy7nil]

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PSG. For all their money, what have they won? And Sunderland. If you think, we've got it bad today...

Yeah let’s accept it because teams not even our country have failed despite PSG winning nine in a row 🙈

[Sammy7nil]

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This is nonsense. Seriously??

Were we weak mentally when we won the championship, the semi final, the must-wins v Aberdeen?

Yes we are weak and I won’t let anybody tell me different I have followed Hibs for 55 years or more and the very occasional win in important games does not make us strong. The continual loses make us weak and other teams know it.

[matty_f]

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Yes we are weak and I won’t let anybody tell me different I have followed Hibs for 55 years or more and the very occasional win in important games does not make us strong. The continual loses make us weak and other teams know it.

[Logie Green]

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This is nonsense. Seriously??

Were we weak mentally when we won the championship, the semi final, the must-wins v Aberdeen?

The OP has a point. Our record in ‘big’ games i.e. Semi Finals and Finals is very poor.

In addition the reason we were able to win the Championship was because we were mentally weak in the play-off against Hamilton.

[Killiehibbie]

I know every other team hopes they get us in the cup final.

[matty_f]

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The OP has a point. Our record in ‘big’ games i.e. Semi Finals and Finals is very poor.

In addition the reason we were able to win the Championship was because we were mentally weak in the play-off against Hamilton.

That’s not all about mentality though, and it ignores all the occasions where we’ve won tough, important games.

[matty_f]

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I know every other team hopes they get us in the cup final.

When did you do that survey?

[IberianHibernian]

Is list beginning with Ayr supposed to be of supposedly weaker teams than us that we`ve lost to in cups this century ?
If so , today`s result ( and for me more the performance as I was expecting a defeat ) was a bad one but we`ve had relatively few bad ones in cups in last 20 odd years . With McInnes in charge , Aberdeen did well in league but had a lot of cup defeats against supposedly weaker teams . Ross may become a new McInnes - regularly 3rd or 4th but no cup glory .

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When did you do that survey?

Today

[Killiehibbie]

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When did you do that survey?

It stands to reason given our record.

[SlickShoes]

Is getting the to latter stages of cups consistent underperforming?

[Swedish hibee]

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Yeah let’s accept it because teams not even our country have failed despite PSG winning nine in a row 🙈

You know I meant in Europe, not the French league.

[Sammy7nil]

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Is list beginning with Ayr supposed to be of supposedly weaker teams than us that we`ve lost to in cups this century ?
If so , today`s result ( and for me more the performance as I was expecting a defeat ) was a bad one but we`ve had relatively few bad ones in cups in last 20 odd years . With McInnes in charge , Aberdeen did well in league but had a lot of cup defeats against supposedly weaker teams . Ross may become a new McInnes - regularly 3rd or 4th but no cup glory .

Well that is good should we really expect defeat to St Johnstone with an average average crowd minus old firm 3 to 4 thousand?

I suppose we should just be thankful to win any game ?

[Sammy7nil]

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Is getting the to latter stages of cups consistent underperforming?

Yes

[Logie Green]

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That’s not all about mentality though, and it ignores all the occasions where we’ve won tough, important games.

Mentality is a big factor in big games.

In my supporting time we’ve lost far more big games than we’ve won, which I think is the gist of the OP’s point.

[matty_f]

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Mentality is a big factor in big games.

In my supporting time we’ve lost far more big games than we’ve won, which I think is the gist of the OP’s point.

It’s a factor, but it’s not necessarily been the factor in all the defeats listed. It’s a lazy argument that can’t be backed up. It’s easy to say “the team is weak” if you only consider the times we’ve been beat and you only attribute those defeats to mentality.

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Well that is good should we really expect defeat to St Johnstone with an average average crowd minus old firm 3 to 4 thousand?

I suppose we should just be thankful to win any game ?

It's sport, competition and if you don't perform well enough you don't win.

No one has any right to beat anyone, should Scotland just not bother going to the Euros because everyone in our Group is ranked much higher and have objectively better teams?

We shouldn't expect to beat anyone.

[Sammy7nil]

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Is getting the to latter stages of cups consistent underperforming?

Yes if losing to Ayr Dunfermline Dundee Utd Ross C Falkirk and Hearts regularly is the norm

[SlickShoes]

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Yes

How do you get there in the first place then?

[Zambernardi1875]

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It’s a factor, but it’s not necessarily been the factor in all the defeats listed. It’s a lazy argument that can’t be backed up. It’s easy to say “the team is weak” if you only consider the times we’ve been beat and you only attribute those defeats to mentality.

And you’re argument was to say we won the championship. Completely forgetting we got relegated first then waited until rangers and hearts beat us first.

[matty_f]

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How do you get there in the first place then?

Luck, presumably. Definitely not by being strong mentally.

[Sammy7nil]

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It's sport, competition and if you don't perform well enough you don't win.

No one has any right to beat anyone, should Scotland just not bother going to the Euros because everyone in our Group is ranked much higher and have objectively better teams?

We shouldn't expect to beat anyone.

I agree we shouldn’t expect to beat anyone yet we regularly lose to almost everyone in important games with the odd exception

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Luck, presumably. Definitely not by being strong mentally.

👍

[matty_f]

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And you’re argument was to say we won the championship. Completely forgetting we got relegated first then waited until rangers and hearts beat us first.

It was an example to counter the list of defeats, it doesn’t forget anything. It’s called balance.

We beat Hamilton 0-2 in the relegation play off. How strong must the mentality have been that night!!

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I agree we shouldn’t expect to beat anyone yet we regularly lose to almost everyone in important games with the odd exception

So which Scottish cup games this season were important? just the final? final and semi? earlier rounds?

You can pick and choose what you class as big games and basically make it negative.

The main reason other teams don't have as many high profile losses as we do is because they don't get there in the first place.

[Gordy M]

Hearts, Aberdeen, Motherwell, St Mrren and StJohnstone.......the teams that have beaten the all conquering Rangers team in the last 3 years in domestic cups. It happens.