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    Our record in cup finals is both depressing and shocking. Played in 25 and won 6.
    St Johnston played in 4 and won 3
    Hearts played 23 won 12
    Aberdeen 31 won 13

    Only Dundee Utd come close having played 17 and only won 4.

    Probably down to the fact that finals are often very cagey affairs and as we never seem to have a solid defence we very rarely come out on top. Still cannot believe Ross went with Porteous over Mcgregor he should have been the first name on the team sheet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    Not sure where Iíve said anywhere that today was ok or that we should be ok with losing it?

    We were ****ing brutal, the team shat the bed and never turned up. Iím as pissed off as Iíve ever been at a performance.
    Youíve basically suggested in this thread that we should be happy that we can get to the lofty heights of losing big games as other clubs in this country canít.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ED Hibee View Post
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    Our record in cup finals is both depressing and shocking. Played in 25 and won 6.
    St Johnston played in 4 and won 3
    Hearts played 23 won 12
    Aberdeen 31 won 13

    Only Dundee Utd come close having played 17 and only won 4.

    Probably down to the fact that finals are often very cagey affairs and as we never seem to have a solid defence we very rarely come out on top. Still cannot believe Ross went with Porteous over Mcgregor he should have been the first name on the team sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobosz83 View Post
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    Youíve basically suggested in this thread that we should be happy that we can get to the lofty heights of losing big games as other clubs in this country canít.
    No Iím not. Iím saying that the fact we get to those stages shows that mentality isnít the issue. If our mentality is bad, imagine how ***** the other teams who donít reach those stages must be.
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    Our record in cup finals is both depressing and shocking. Played in 25 and won 6.
    St Johnston played in 4 and won 3
    Hearts played 23 won 12
    Aberdeen 31 won 13

    Only Dundee Utd come close having played 17 and only won 4.

    Probably down to the fact that finals are often very cagey affairs and as we never seem to have a solid defence we very rarely come out on top. Still cannot believe Ross went with Porteous over Mcgregor he should have been the first name on the team sheet.
    how many of ours are against the old firm? genuine question.

    saints 2 are this season and 1 was 2014, stats are easy to skew when you're a top cup side one season and win both finals. it's not sustained success.

    Aberdeen, I'm guessing, but I bet their successes will be around Ferguson time? I'm 35 and I don't remember them winning much.

    hearts... apart from 98 and against us I can only think of Gretna. league cup ... hahahaha

    we always get there we just forget to turn up, maybe we should pretend the final is a semi final

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    No Iím not. Iím saying that the fact we get to those stages shows that mentality isnít the issue. If our mentality is bad, imagine how ***** the other teams who donít reach those stages must be.
    Who are those other teams though? Since the turn of the millennium weíve lost to Celtic, Livingston, Hearts, Celtic, Ross County and now, St Johnstone. 3 of those clubs shouldnít be in the chat, and Iím not including the diabolical semi final matches against Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dunfermline and also, St Johnstone.

    This club, despite its resources, underachieves on steroids. Its a embarrassment. Sadly, besides 2016, itís got its own phrase ĎHibsed ití - unfortunately, it seems despite a new owner, mediocrity is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    No Iím not. Iím saying that the fact we get to those stages shows that mentality isnít the issue. If our mentality is bad, imagine how ***** the other teams who donít reach those stages must be.
    Yeah Stranraer East Fife etc must be kicking themselves 😂 please donít shirk thiis Jibs for 50 years or more have had a budget advantage over all but four teams. Motherwell, St J and others have regularly finished above us canít be a coincidence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sammy7nil View Post
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    Yeah Stranraer East Fife etc must be kicking themselves 😂 please donít shirk thiis Jibs for 50 years or more have had a budget advantage over all but four teams. Motherwell, St J and others have regularly finished above us canít be a coincidence
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    Who are those other teams though? Since the turn of the millennium weíve lost to Celtic, Livingston, Hearts, Celtic, Ross County and now, St Johnstone. 3 of those clubs shouldnít be in the chat, and Iím not including the diabolical semi final matches against Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dunfermline and also, St Johnstone.

    This club, despite its resources, underachieves on steroids. Its a embarrassment. Sadly, besides 2016, itís got its own phrase ĎHibsed ití - unfortunately, it seems despite a new owner, mediocrity is ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dobosz83 View Post
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    Who are those other teams though? Since the turn of the millennium weíve lost to Celtic, Livingston, Hearts, Celtic, Ross County and now, St Johnstone. 3 of those clubs shouldnít be in the chat, and Iím not including the diabolical semi final matches against Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dunfermline and also, St Johnstone.

    This club, despite its resources, underachieves on steroids. Its a embarrassment. Sadly, besides 2016, itís got its own phrase ĎHibsed ití - unfortunately, it seems despite a new owner, mediocrity is ok.
    That's a great post.....despite our resources, we consistently fall short.....its infuriating.

    Why are we so weak ?
    25 finals 6 wins !!...Holy ****.....that's not this team, that's hibs over the years!....

    We clearly don't have a winning mentality....all very well having these quotes on the walls, but it's on the park we need drive, desire, steel.
    Paul Hanlon must be the most insipid captain in our history....
    This was a day for Mcgregor....
    Nisbet, JHC...selected for the euros !
    Boyle, brutal again....500k release clause, please.

    No cohesion, 3 Separate units, with the main tactic, play it across the back, then shell it up the park...fantastic

    Hibs man, they don't make it easy.


    St johnstone have got our number....my god, 4 in a row....st johnstone, 4 in.a.row.
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    It was an example to counter the list of defeats, it doesnít forget anything. Itís called balance.

    We beat Hamilton 0-2 in the relegation play off. How strong must the mentality have been that night!!
    Really, really strong. Until the second leg...of a play-off we should never have been in. Still, never mind, we can pick and choose our "mentality" when it suits us, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty Leither View Post
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    Really, really strong. Until the second leg...of a play-off we should never have been in. Still, never mind, we can pick and choose our "mentality" when it suits us, eh?
    Thatís exactly the point Iím making. Neither were about mentality on its own.

    To label the whole club as forever mentally weak is wrong, and demonstrably so. Thatís the point. Picking one or two wins as evidence of mental strength is as ridiculous as picking defeats to show mental weakness.

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    Who are those other teams though? Since the turn of the millennium weíve lost to Celtic, Livingston, Hearts, Celtic, Ross County and now, St Johnstone. 3 of those clubs shouldnít be in the chat, and Iím not including the diabolical semi final matches against Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dunfermline and also, St Johnstone.

    This club, despite its resources, underachieves on steroids. Its a embarrassment. Sadly, besides 2016, itís got its own phrase ĎHibsed ití - unfortunately, it seems despite a new owner, mediocrity is ok.
    Is 3rd place mediocre? Or is cup wins the measure now?

    Itís obviously easier to win 5 games in a row rather than achieve consistency over 38 games so maybe we should target that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty_f View Post
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    That’s exactly the point I’m making. Neither were about mentality on its own.

    To label the whole club as forever mentally weak is wrong, and demonstrably so. That’s the point. Picking one or two wins as evidence of mental strength is as ridiculous as picking defeats to show mental weakness.
    Far easier to demonstrate Hibs weakness have a wee peak at our Derby record especially our home Derby record.

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    Is 3rd place mediocre? Or is cup wins the measure now?

    It’s obviously easier to win 5 games in a row rather than achieve consistency over 38 games so maybe we should target that.
    Hibs seem to find it difficult to win 5 games in a row look at our cup record. We also seem to find it difficult to finish third In recent years we have found it easier to be relegated.

    This was a poor league (Rangers unbeaten) and yes I know you can only beat what is in front of you. We lost so many home games Livvy Ross C Motherwell 7-0 on aggregate. Yet still comfortably finished third don’t know what that says about Hibs or the league.

    I do know Aberdeen sacked their manager when finishing fourth.
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