Guaranteed Group stage football?

[CapitalGreen]

It was well reported in January that the Scottish cup winners will enter the Europa League in the Play Off round due to there being no previous winner of the Conference League. However looking on the wiki page for the Europa League 2021/22 and also the excellent Kassiesa.net site - both are now saying that Denmark and Russia are the nations to benefit from this and not Scotland anymore. Has something changed, did the SFA jump the gun in confirming this was the case?

“The Europa Conference League title holder spot in the Europa League group stage will not be used because it is the first season of the Europa Conference League. The access list will be re-balanced as follows:

The cup winner of Russia moves from EL-PO to EL-GS,
The cup winner of Denmark moves from EL-Q3 to EL-PO.”

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/seedel2021.html

[Billy Whizz]

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It was well reported in January that the Scottish cup winners will enter the Europa League in the Play Off round due to there being no previous winner of the Conference League. However looking on the wiki page for the Europa League 2021/22 and also the excellent Kassiesa.net site - both are now saying that Denmark and Russia are the nations to benefit from this and not Scotland anymore. Has something changed, did the SFA jump the gun in confirming this was the case?

“The Europa Conference League title holder spot in the Europa League group stage will not be used because it is the first season of the Europa Conference League. The access list will be re-balanced as follows:

The cup winner of Russia moves from EL-PO to EL-GS,
The cup winner of Denmark moves from EL-Q3 to EL-PO.”

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/seedel2021.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021..._Europa_League

This still has countries 7-14 going in at Europa League at play off round

[Centre Hawf]

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It was well reported in January that the Scottish cup winners will enter the Europa League in the Play Off round due to there being no previous winner of the Conference League. However looking on the wiki page for the Europa League 2021/22 and also the excellent Kassiesa.net site - both are now saying that Denmark and Russia are the nations to benefit from this and not Scotland anymore. Has something changed, did the SFA jump the gun in confirming this was the case?

“The Europa Conference League title holder spot in the Europa League group stage will not be used because it is the first season of the Europa Conference League. The access list will be re-balanced as follows:

The cup winner of Russia moves from EL-PO to EL-GS,
The cup winner of Denmark moves from EL-Q3 to EL-PO.”

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/seedel2021.html

It may be that our highest Europa League spot (The Europa League playoff round) doesn't necessarily come under these changes and as such haven't been documented separately like the Russians or Danes. I very much doubt the SFA, even in their list inadequacies, has managed to get this one wrong

[Billy Whizz]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021..._Europa_League

This still has countries 7-14 going in at Europa League at play off round

This too from Hibspass on Saturday

[MunsterHibee]

I'd have thought if you get eliminated in the EL play off round you'd drop automatically into the next competition which is the Conference League group stage. Like if you drop out of the CL play off round you go in the EL group stage etc.

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[green day]

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I'd have thought if you get eliminated in the EL play off round you'd drop automatically into the next competition which is the Conference League group stage. Like if you drop out of the CL play off round you go in the EL group stage etc.

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Thats true, but Bert Kassies site suggests that scottish cup winners are in the EL qualifying round (one before playoff) due to our rank.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/

[Heisenberg]

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Thats true, but Bert Kassies site suggests that scottish cup winners are in the EL qualifying round (one before playoff) due to our rank.

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/

Yeah that’s how I’ve read it.

[Billy Whizz]

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/qual2021.html

Drill down to this page, still showing as Cups Winners Europa League Q3

[Heisenberg]

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https://kassiesa.net/uefa/qual2021.html

Drill down to this page, still showing as Cups Winners Europa League Q3

That’s the round before the playoff though is it not? If we lose in Q3 then we don’t drop into the Conference group stage.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021..._Europa_League

This still has countries 7-14 going in at Europa League at play off round

If you look further down the list it has the Scottish Cup winners entering at the 3rd qualifying round not the play off, along with the Czech Cup winners.

[green day]

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https://kassiesa.net/uefa/qual2021.html

Drill down to this page, still showing as Cups Winners Europa League Q3

Which is true, but if we lost that, we wouldnt go directly to the Group of conf, we would go to final play off round. These guys seem to have done the work, looked at the numbers and come up with this combo.

We (or St J) still have a chance, it depends on a few things tho -

[Billy Whizz]

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If you look further down the list it has the Scottish Cup winners entering at the 3rd qualifying round not the play off.

Think you maybe right, seasons haven’t finished yet though

[JohnM1875]

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Which is true, but if we lost that, we wouldnt go directly to the Group of conf, we would go to final play off round. These guys seem to have done the work, looked at the numbers and come up with this combo.

We (or St J) still have a chance, it depends on a few things tho -

So, providing we win the Scottish Cup we basically want Man City or Man United to win of of the current European cups?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Think you maybe right, wonder what’s changed

Hmm, think it certainly needs to be clarifed. Edit. Looking at the post above it would appear the SC winners might still get the play off spot but not guaranteed.

[green day]

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So, providing we win the Scottish Cup we basically want Man City or Man United to win of of the current European cups?

No, we want them to lose !

[Billy Whizz]

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Hmm, think it certainly needs to be clarifed. Edit. Looking at the post above it would appear the SC winners might still get the play off spot but not guaranteed.

Think they are all based on assumptions, but until UEFA tournaments are finished, can’t be 100%

[bod]

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No, we want them to lose !

Personally or for hibs benefit ?

[JohnM1875]

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No, we want them to lose !

😂 I'm so lost.

[tamig]

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I'd have thought if you get eliminated in the EL play off round you'd drop automatically into the next competition which is the Conference League group stage. Like if you drop out of the CL play off round you go in the EL group stage etc.

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Thats exactly what happens.

[CapitalGreen]

According to Bert we want Chelsea or Villarreal to win their finals.

“Chelsea wins CL OR Villarreal wins EL and they qualify for EL by domestic league:
empty spot in EL-GS: Bel-CW from EL-PO to EL-GS, Sco-CW from EL-Q3 to EL-PO,”

[green day]

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Personally or for hibs benefit ?

For Hibs - couldnt give a shiney one about those competitions normally......................

[hulk]

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No, we want them to lose !

Correct. Explanation here

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/vie...5349&start=465

[CapitalGreen]

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Thats exactly what happens.

Nobody has suggested otherwise, this is about what round we would enter which appears to have changed today.

[SChibs]

What has changed? The league coefficients for European qualification was decided before the season started?

[Hibs90]

Us or Saints screwed by UEFA. How dare they have a team from Scotland in the group stages of a competition

[B.H.F.C]

If this is accurate, you’d still have to say we’d have a really good chance of group stage qualification. Worst case scenario would be a playoff for the Conference League if you lost in the third qualifying round of the Europa League. If you were dropping down from the Europa League you’d be hoping for a decent draw.

[Ryan91]

Seems like it was only just changed either today or yesterday, really poor from UEFA to be changing things as most seasons are wrapping up across Europe IMO.

[Anthony Soprano]

Kick in the teeth. We’ve went from guaranteed EL group stage to likely only getting in at EL Q3 meaning we’d have to win 2 ties (4 games) to get to EL group stage.

From my understanding the best we can hope for is Chelsea to win CL or Villarreal to win EL and qualify for EL in their domestic league and even then we’d only get a playoff spot provided we win the cup.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

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Correct. Explanation here

https://kassiesa.net/uefa/forum2/vie...5349&start=465

I now get the gist of it, but looking at all those permutations gives me a right headache. Will just have to win the cup on Saturday and hope other results go our way.

[CallumLaidlaw]

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Kick in the teeth. We’ve went from guaranteed EL group stage to likely only getting in at EL Q3 meaning we’d have to win 2 ties (4 games) to get to EL group stage.

From my understanding the best we can hope for is Chelsea to win CL or Villarreal to win EL and qualify for EL in their domestic league and even then we’d only get a playoff spot provided we win the cup.

We were never guaranteed EL group stage if we won the cup. If was EL playoff which if we lost we’d drop into the ECL group stage.


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