Partick Thistle Throw Toys Out The Pram

[Allez Hibs]

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I can see their point of view and from what I remember there was a lot of sympathy for Partick on here at the end of last season.

What I don't understand is their attitude to Neil Doncaster and the 2 football authorities. Their fellow member clubs voted for their relegation so, for me, they've picked the wrong targets for their wee benny.

It is agreed universally that Neil Doncaster is not the right person to be running Scottish Football.

[Radium]

Last summer was full of it being someone else’s fault and an expectation that football would be able to find a solution that was to nobody’s detriment. Naive when the legal responsibilities of clubs was to look after their own interests.

Some clubs wanted it voided, led by TRFC. Huge potential liabilities for clubs just so that 9-in-a-row could be stopped.

Some clubs wanted no relegation and a magical form of restructuring. Given that did not have the support of Premiership Clubs, wholesale change was never going to happen.

You then had PTFC refusing to look at any compromise and joining a gang of clubs who started court proceedings. To claim now that they didn’t want to draw Cove, Raith and United into it is disingenuous. They wanted their positions in the higher leagues.

They lost in court.

Had they supported increasing the Championship to 12 clubs they would not have been relegated. Raith and Falkirk would have been promoted. Stranraer would not have been relegated with Cove and City promoted. Kelty and Brora would then have been admitted and the Brechin issue would not have arisen.

To do this United and Hearts would be promoted and relegated.

So PTFC can be as arsey as they want but they brought it on themselves.


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[Keith_M]

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It is agreed universally that Neil Doncaster is not the right person to be running Scottish Football.

I agree with that, and many of the other points you made previously about the running of the game, but in this instance I think Thistle are just being childish and need to move on.

Last season, the clubs had a totally unprecedented situation from which there was no perfect solution. A decision was made by the clubs (not Doncaster, et al) as to how they would proceed and there was always going to be losers. As it is, both Hearts and Thistle were promoted at the first time of asking, so haven't exactly suffered too much.

[CropleyWasGod]

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It is agreed universally that Neil Doncaster is not the right person to be running Scottish Football.

If that's the case, why have the clubs not sacked him?

[Danderhall Hibs]

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What rules were broken?

There were no rules to be broken - it was made up on the hoof.

[Allez Hibs]

Different circumstance I know but didn't we benefit from it being announced there would be league expansion midway through the 90-91 season?

[Allez Hibs]

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If that's the case, why have the clubs not sacked him?

That is a very good question. Too many happy and comfortable with the Old Firm Pound £ my guess.

[Northernhibee]

They had a much larger case for arguing that they could have turned it around than Hearts, but out simply once it became clear that teams needed the league to be called and prize money to be dished out to survive then that was the point to draw a line and move on.

I think a lot have lost sympathy for those two at that point.

[Keith_M]

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Different circumstance I know but didn't we benefit from it being announced there would be league expansion midway through the 90-91 season?

There was no relegation that season but Hibs finished in 9th, 6 points above the relegation place (only 10th place would have been relegated).


Just our of interest, though, what has that got to do with the discussion about Hearts and Partick Thistle?

[CropleyWasGod]

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That is a very good question. Too many happy and comfortable with the Old Firm Pound £ my guess.

In other words, they are happy with him in post.

[Peevemor]

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It is agreed universally that Neil Doncaster is not the right person to be running Scottish Football.

Agreed universally? Do you have any proof of this?

I was never a fan of Doncaster, although to be honest I'd never really paid him that much attention before, but I though he did a very good job in what must have been horrific circumstances this time last year. He came across very well in the interviews that I heard or read during the saga, coming across as an efficient administrator who had a solid grasp of all the issues at hand.

He may well have been crap before and since, I've no idea, but I do respect his handling of what went on last season.

[Allez Hibs]

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There was no relegation that season but Hibs finished in 9th, 6 points above the relegation place (only 10th place would have been relegated).


Just our of interest, though, what has that got to do with the discussion about Hearts and Partick Thistle?

Aberdeen have benefited with finishing bottom too and not being relegated.

The point is, why is it made up as they go along in Scottish Football?

[Kato]

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Good on Partick Thistle. I like Ian MacCall. Total football man.

Hopefully it's clear to the SPFL and SFA that they are making a pigs ear of the running of the professional leagues in Scotland and its not just about two clubs from Glasgow.

Its clear there needs to be change in how the leagues are governed and structured. The handling of the leagues being brought to a close early last season was a total shambles.

Well done Partick.

There wasn't a total shambles, just lots of whining, moaning and law suits from clubs who had signed up to rules they didnt like being applied to them.

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[Allez Hibs]

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Agreed universally? Do you have any proof of this?

I was never a fan of Doncaster, although to be honest I'd never really paid him that much attention before, but I though he did a very good job in what must have been horrific circumstances this time last year. He came across very well in the interviews that I heard or read during the saga, coming across as an efficient administrator who had a solid grasp of all the issues at hand.

He may well have been crap before and since, I've no idea, but I do respect his handling of what went on last season.

😂

Sorry, not biting.

[Peevemor]

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Aberdeen too have benefited with finishing bottom too and not being relegated.

The point is, why is it made up as they along in Scottish Football?

Because Falkirk didn't have a 10k all seated stadium - criterea voted on and agreed by the SPL member clubs.

[Peevemor]

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😂

Sorry, not biting.

Not biting? You don't have proof because you made it up - admit it.

[jacomo]

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Yes, just because it was Hearts doesn't make it right.

Would it be fairer to have denied Dundee Utd promotion then?

That’s the logical alternative.

[Kato]

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There were no rules to be broken - it was made up on the hoof.

It wasn't, the contingency for an unfinished season was written up, rules were applied then certain clubs started jumping loudly. Maybe that noise makes you think it was made up on the hoof but it went to court and nothing was found to be remiss.

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[Allez Hibs]

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Would it be fairer to have denied Dundee Utd promotion then?

That’s the logical alternative.

I think the fairest solution was to expand the league and move to a structure where we play each other twice a season. Consistent with other top leagues across Europe.

It is interesting that there isn't a directive from UEFA on it to be honest with how they want Cup Winners getting the Europa League spot.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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There wasn't a total shambles, just lots of whining, moaning and law suits from clubs who had signed up to rules they didnt like being applied to them.

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What are/were the rules?

What was the vote for if it was already agreed in “law”?

[Carheenlea]

Heard McColl bang on about this on the radio. Utterly childish.

[Peevemor]

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It wasn't, the contingency for an unfinished season was written up, rules were applied then certain clubs started jumping loudly. Maybe that noise makes you think it was made up on the hoof but it went to court and nothing was found to be remiss.

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In fact the SPFL executive had the power to call the league without going to a vote, but preferred to let the clubs decide. I'm not sure what more they could have done.

[Kato]

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What are/were the rules?

What was the vote for if it was already agreed in “law”?

It's in the SPFL's rules and the same rules allowed for a vote on any final decision.



Which rules were "made up"? what decisions were made "on the hoof"?

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[Allez Hibs]

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Not biting? You don't have proof because you made it up - admit it.

Create a Neil Doncaster approval rating poll on here and find out for yourself.

Again, it is universally agreed from fans of all clubs that he isn't the right person to be running Scottish Football. You just need to listen to Sportsound on a Saturday. Cosgrove and Cowan slating him and all the pundits.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/233654-neil-doncaster-what-a-cnt/page/10/

[Danderhall Hibs]

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It's in the SPFL's rules and the same rules allowed for a vote on any final decision.



Which rules were "made up"? what decisions were made "on the hoof"?

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I thought it was the rule to end a season before it ended and on an uneven number of games. The vote suggests a decision was needed rather than just applying the rules you’re suggesting they had written down.

I’m probably just amazed they had foreseen this situation and had rules in place for it.

[Hibs Class]

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If that's the case, why have the clubs not sacked him?

The EGM last May was effectively a confidence vote and he survived it.

[Peevemor]

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What are/were the rules?

What was the vote for if it was already agreed in “law”?

"Season means the period of the year commencing on the date of the first league match in a season and ending on the date of the last league match in the same season or otherwise as determined by the board and which excludes the close season."


This rule appears to strengthen the argument that the season could be ended after 30 games with Celtic declared winner and Hearts relegated given it stipulates that the end of the season is defined as the "last league match" or "as otherwise as determined by the board".

Rule C38 further strengthens this case.


It states: "The club occupying position one in the league at the end of a season shall be declared the champion club of the league and shall hold the "The Scottish Professional Football League Championship Trophy" until the next season's league competition is concluded."


Put simply, the SPFL board have the power to define at what point the season ends and when it does with the team placed first automatically declared champion.

From March last year

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...eltic-21701473

So the SPFL board had the power to decide, but decided to let the clubs vote on it.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The EGM last May was effectively a confidence vote and he survived it.

Ta.

So not "universal".

[Peevemor]

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Create a Neil Doncaster approval rating poll on here and find out for yourself.

Again, it is universally agreed from fans of all clubs that he isn't the right person to be running Scottish Football. You just need to listen to Sportsound on a Saturday. Cosgrove and Cowan slating him and all the pundits.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/i...a-cnt/page/10/

So your informed opinion comes from Off the Ball and a .net poll that I won't be creating anyway.

Crack on!

[bigwheel]

I wonder how many people slating Thistle would take the same position if it was us that were impacted in the way they were ...