Social Media Blackout

[Andy74]

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No one with any depth of thinking on this is expecting any material change ..these actions are inbuilt into people’s DNA, no small social media process changes that. It’s about solidarity.

Tbh When I read your posts on hate or racism threads...you spend most of your time giving reasons the protest approaches don’t work ...rather than getting behind them

Change is caused by people being bold and brave with voice and actions, not by criticising support of the victims...


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I tend to comment on the approaches that I don't think are going to be effective - or have stopped being effective.

Change has to be created by being far more thoughtful and focused on actions and actions that will work.

I'm not sure the likes of Sky are being bold and brave - they have made a commercial decision which they think will work for them. I do think though that when you watch Sky Sports News now that sport is very secondary to all the campaigns and causes. That's okay for a time but it will absolutely turn people away from those causes and is, in my view anyway, creating an environment where more and more abuse is likely to happen.

We want it to stop, not for it to be perpetuated.

[EdinMike]

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https://zxnet.co.uk/teletext/viewer/?channel=2&page=302

Sorted!

No Bamboozle ! No Thanks !

[bigwheel]

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I tend to comment on the approaches that I don't think are going to be effective - or have stopped being effective.

Change has to be created by being far more thoughtful and focused on actions and actions that will work.

I'm not sure the likes of Sky are being bold and brave - they have made a commercial decision which they think will work for them. I do think though that when you watch Sky Sports News now that sport is very secondary to all the campaigns and causes. That's okay for a time but it will absolutely turn people away from those causes and is, in my view anyway, creating an environment where more and more abuse is likely to happen.

We want it to stop, not for it to be perpetuated.

I don’t share your view that standing up to hate, will cause more people to hate. It just feels like to are deliberately being obtuse on it ..

As I said , it’s noticeable on these threads that your constant focus is on whether these things work or not, rather than than discussing your empathy for the victims.

[Keith_M]

I just read the interview with Marvin Bartley and his stated aim was to force the Social Media platforms to change their policies on racist comments online by bringing attention to them with this Social Media blackout.

Apparently somebody used the 'N' word in a message to him on Twitter and, when he complained, he was told that wasn't covered by their policies, which sounds totally ridiculous.

He didn't claim that this action would end racism, but just wanted to reduce the platforms on which they can spew out their hatred.



Weigh that up against the inconvenience of not hearing a few tweets from your favourite club, or a bit of a delay in hearing the team line-up, and it's a bit of a no-brainer, surely.

[hibsbollah]

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I'm pretty sure we all want the people caught and jailed, and for all the abuse to stop. Yet in my opinion we seem to have some sort of cause we have to support week after week, and they are all intermingling into one and perhaps diluting the effect each case has?

I don’t think anyone’s saying we ‘have to’ support it, nobody’s forcing you to agree with Marvin Bartley, or the Motherwell players, or that female pundit who’s getting rape threats. Personally I’m behind it, Twitter and Facebook have been inactive in relation to this problem for a long long time. They’ve even stopped wheeling out the odious Nick Clegg to do their PR in the media.

[green day]

Frankly I wish our twitter admin had done a blackout a few weeks ago.............

[lyonhibs]

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I don’t share your view that standing up to hate, will cause more people to hate. It just feels like to are deliberately being obtuse on it ..

As I said , it’s noticeable on these threads that your constant focus is on whether these things work or not, rather than than discussing your empathy for the victims.

It might be argued that meaningful empathy with the victims would take the form of something rather more impactful on the causes or consequences of racism. A social media blackout, and indeed going on about supporting a social media blackout, is not really empathetic with the victims of racism (or domestic violence or whatever it may be) IMO

[McSwanky]

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No Bamboozle ! No Thanks !

How does this grab you?

http://www.digitextsim.com/452/

[worcesterhibby]

I just wish they had decided to do this the weekend that Rangers clinched the title...would have been hilarious.

[MWHIBBIES]

My only gripe is why we've taken so long to take action. Songs about Alan Stubbs having cancer and sectarianism directed at Neil lennon have seen our club do nothing. My one real gripe at the club over the past 6/7 years was not kicking up a real fuss in defence of our employees. We still let that **** Gary Mckay into our ground despite him racially abusing an employee in Kevin Harper.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Why not simply focus on things you feel are deeply wrong, and consistently stand up against them??

in this case it’s support for victims of homophobia , racism, sexism, bullying etc...anything that stands up and says “enough” on those things deserves support imho..


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I think i care about many of the issues we see in the world today, but to be perfectly honest here, i cant think of any that would get me off my erse out protesting for or against them.

Lazy, probably, honest, yes.

Although when i see these marches for this cause or that cause, they all seem to end up in a right good punch up with the police.

To be honest, i just dont get worked up much these days unless it's Hibs.

[Allez Hibs]

Did anyone see the bizarre posts on twitter from Hibs today?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-troll-hibs-twitter-put-24013773

[SteveHFC]

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Did anyone see the bizarre posts on twitter from Hibs today?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hearts-troll-hibs-twitter-put-24013773

The admin should be sacked for that alone.

[green day]

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The admin should be sacked for that alone.

I have mentioned it on the KP thread - some people think i was over reacting - but I agree with your assessment.

[Hibs90]

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Did anyone see the bizarre posts on twitter from Hibs today?

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/...r-put-24013773

So we've had the Prince Phillip tweet...rightly or wrongly it went down horribly.
The "Glasgow Rangers Champions" tweet
And now this..

The new admin is at it

[Heisenberg]

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The admin should be sacked for that alone.

They are currently hiring for a new one. Whoever is doing it just now isn’t long term.

[green day]

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So we've had the Prince Phillip tweet...rightly or wrongly it went down horribly.
The "Glasgow Rangers Champions" tweet
And now this..

The new admin is at it

I have already complained to KP. I would encourage more to do this as there is no other way for us to get our collective voice heard on this.

Someone on the PM board has noted that the new people on social are a journalist from Dundee and an English based media person......................

[Allez Hibs]

A number of the Hibs Social Media posts this season have been cringey to say the least.

[ian cruise]

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Downplaying the seriousness of the matter by saying it will mean you have to look elsewhere for the team news deserves to be called out.

The social media businesses are doing very little to crack down on the racist abusers, so several sports have announced a boycott. I have my doubts that it will be effective, but at least they're highlighting the problem. A problem that has got worse in part because the abusers have seen that no action will be taken against them by the social media businesses.

Social media providers do so little they're complicit in the behaviour of those using the platforms for abuse. I've reported many blatant racist or bullying comments online and received the "this does not breach our community guidelines, we're sorry if you were offended" response.

Hopefully this activity causes more people to start calling out those spreading abuse online and reporting comments and posts instead of scrolling past, it's only when enough people complain that the people running the platforms might take notice.

[lyonhibs]

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So we've had the Prince Phillip tweet...rightly or wrongly it went down horribly.
The "Glasgow Rangers Champions" tweet
And now this..

The new admin is at it

We can't collectively claim to be "over" 5-1 and say its now merely a Jambo comfort blanket but then complain and talk about sackings when some mild social media banter emerges. I also have no idea about the Prince Philip tweet, but if we simply said RIP and the Twittersphere reacted badly, that says far more about the Twats on Twitter than it does about Hibs' social media team.

[hibbysam]

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Yep. There absolutely should be some 'soft checks' (at the very least) made on social media signups. Could also be applied retrospectively to existing accounts. People can still stay anonymous to other users if they like, but any criminal behaviour should be trackable. There are some big issues with this which would need to be overcome though:

- Users would need to be happy explicitly (rather than subconsciously) providing their ID to the likes of Twitter/Facebook etc. A big stumbling block!
- How do you deal with "non-person" accounts, e.g. businesses.
- This would potentially stop all the bots as well, which I suspect is where a large amount of revenue from the likes of Twitter is generated.
- Government regulation would be required, but that needs hundreds of governments across the world to work together. That's a big one.

Bottom line, something needs done, but it's going to be a hell of a struggle to get there.

- That would be the choice they make, either give ID like they would for a lot of other things (bookies etc) or you don’t get to use it.
- businesses are still run by people. Business can have their page, but the posts should be linked to a persons account, ie me and you run a business, if I make a post it’s traceable to me. Already happens with me from my amateur football teams page, shows posts were made by me.

[CMurdoch]

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We can't collectively claim to be "over" 5-1 and say its now merely a Jambo comfort blanket but then complain and talk about sackings when some mild social media banter emerges. I also have no idea about the Prince Philip tweet, but if we simply said RIP and the Twittersphere reacted badly, that says far more about the Twats on Twitter than it does about Hibs' social media team.

I must agree having searched thoroughly for, but being unable to find any ****s to give regarding this matter. However, in the process I did find out that we have now sold 4,000 season tickets which is great.

[CMurdoch]

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Yep. There absolutely should be some 'soft checks' (at the very least) made on social media signups. Could also be applied retrospectively to existing accounts. People can still stay anonymous to other users if they like, but any criminal behaviour should be trackable. There are some big issues with this which would need to be overcome though:

- Users would need to be happy explicitly (rather than subconsciously) providing their ID to the likes of Twitter/Facebook etc. A big stumbling block!
- How do you deal with "non-person" accounts, e.g. businesses.
- This would potentially stop all the bots as well, which I suspect is where a large amount of revenue from the likes of Twitter is generated.
- Government regulation would be required, but that needs hundreds of governments across the world to work together. That's a big one.

Bottom line, something needs done, but it's going to be a hell of a struggle to get there.

Good post.
Not as easy as folk think to sort this without it costing money to social media companies and football clubs and if there is one thing those businesses care about it is money. The tipping point can only be reached when loss of revenue to social media companies exceeds the cost of compliance. There will be only lip service but no real change until that point is reached.

[Greenbeard]

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Good post.
Not as easy as folk think to sort this without it costing money to social media companies and football clubs and if there is one thing those businesses care about it is money. The tipping point can only be reached when loss of revenue to social media companies exceeds the cost of compliance. There will be only lip service but no real change until that point is reached.

Ah, now that you point that out I can see why they should be allowed to continue to facilitate online abuse.

[Mick O'Rourke]

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My only gripe is why we've taken so long to take action. Songs about Alan Stubbs having cancer and sectarianism directed at Neil lennon have seen our club do nothing. My one real gripe at the club over the past 6/7 years was not kicking up a real fuss in defence of our employees. We still let that **** Gary Mckay into our ground despite him racially abusing an employee in Kevin Harper.

Hear ! Hear !

Sickening that the abuse you cite was ignored by those, that if they had the will, could have done something about it.


If authorities wont take action,maybe players should, as we have seen recently.
Sectarian abuse towards our previous managers from thousands at Ibrox and Hampden (2016) falls on deaf ears.

Yet those in power pat themselves on the back,taking credit for the current pre match observance on racism.

They need to be more vocal and also call out all forms of abuse, including anti Catholic abuse.

Police Scotland as well.
They scoured the land for eighteen months ,locating folk who ran on the park at Hampden to celebrate a cup win.
How many doors did they chap to charge someone for sectarianism?

[matty_f]

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We can't collectively claim to be "over" 5-1 and say its now merely a Jambo comfort blanket but then complain and talk about sackings when some mild social media banter emerges. I also have no idea about the Prince Philip tweet, but if we simply said RIP and the Twittersphere reacted badly, that says far more about the Twats on Twitter than it does about Hibs' social media team.

I saw the tweet earlier and thought either the Hibs Twitter gadgie hadn’t thought it through, or it was a massive power play to show how little of a **** we give about it.

I’d have kept it up.

[HFC_NYC]

The sad fact is that Twitter, Facebook et al actually encourage racist/sexist behavior as controversy is good for business. Take this week for example, somebody at Twitter (not an algorithm) actually pushed the hashtag, #UncleTim to trend following the Republican's rebuttal to Biden's address. The rebuttal was given by Senator Tim Scott who happens to be a black conservative and the hashtag was of course, a play on the racist term, Uncle Tom. Twitter allowed this to trend for eleven hours before finally pulling it, so don't expect this weekend's social media blackout to make a blind bit of difference.

[Smartie]

With social media etc you need the people doing it to be able to "read a room".

I'm not sure this is an easy thing for a non-supporter to pick up quickly, irrespective of their cv.

There are all sorts of quirks and nuances about Hibs, their support and communication that need to be navigated, and I'm a bit concerned at how hopeless we are at it at the moment.

In the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal, and for me the good-natured tit for tat business today about the 5-1 is social media at it's best. We were pish and were called out on it by our biggest rivals.

Someone somewhere needs to be asking though - what exactly are we hoping to achieve with our comms? Are we all agreed that we've dropped the ball a few times in recent weeks? And what, exactly, are we going to do about it?

[lord bunberry]

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We can't collectively claim to be "over" 5-1 and say its now merely a Jambo comfort blanket but then complain and talk about sackings when some mild social media banter emerges. I also have no idea about the Prince Philip tweet, but if we simply said RIP and the Twittersphere reacted badly, that says far more about the Twats on Twitter than it does about Hibs' social media team.

I agree with you in principle, but the fact that we then deleted the tweet and they posted a screenshot of the deleted tweet makes us look stupid. I couldn’t give a **** about 5-1 it happened but we’ve went on to bigger and better things since that day. They are a shambles of a club that are at war with the manager and the owner, we’re going for third place and another Scottish cup .

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Amongst all this

We need to talk about Tracey....

Our elected supporters Rep that resigned because of abuse from (apparently)
fellow Hibs “fans”.

She has tweeted about this. This problem is wider than football and racism it’s about behaviours that ethical-minded organisations would do something about.

Amnesty international did a study on the treatment of women on social media and the continued inaction taken by social media companies - including Twitter - who whilst acknowledging the issue have merely paid lips service to it over the years.

Social media need to tackle this effectively and decisively from now. They have however through neglect created a monster and a pile of money of the back of it. For them ethics is a county just outside London.