Mourhino sacked

[jacomo]

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They wouldn’t be able to get him again.

No kidding.

[WhileTheChief..]

So why bring him up?

My point was that Spurs won’t get better than Jose.

[jacomo]

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So why bring him up?

My point was that Spurs won’t get better than Jose.

Well, because in your view Jose is still one of the best managers around and Spurs won’t get better.

Pointing out that they already had a better manager in place is relevant, no?

Obviously the Portugeezer has won a lot of trophies. But his time as a top level club manager was over years ago.

[Magpie]

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That’s a very shallow reading of the situation.

Poch took them from mid table to the champions league final, asked for but was refused opportunity to refresh the squad, endured a poor run of form, got sacked.

Mourinho got the investment he demanded and has taken them where exactly?

Poch did okay but won nothing. They had arguably one of the best teams in the league with Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen, Son, Alli and Kane. A more experienced manager like Mourinho would have won something with that squad imo.

I don’t think Mourinho got backed the way he probably would have liked, I very much doubt Bale was a signing he wanted. He asked for Skriniar and Dias, got given Joe Rodon from Swansea.

He replaced Pochettino who’s last 10 months saw him not win a league game away and taking only 25 points from his last 24 games, the Champions League was a distraction from the problems going on in which they inevitably failed to win in the end.

As I said earlier on here, Mourinho has got Spurs to their first domestic final in 6 years with arguably a weaker team than the one Pochettino had. I still very much rank Mourinho as a better manager than Pochettino, although I do like him and think he will do well in the game, which he should do at PSG if he can get them off 2nd place into 1st place and win the CL.

[Magpie]

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They wouldn’t be able to get him again.

Pochettino has already publicly stated he would like to return to Spurs one day.

[Magpie]

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Well, because in your view Jose is still one of the best managers around and Spurs won’t get better.

Pointing out that they already had a better manager in place is relevant, no?

Obviously the Portugeezer has won a lot of trophies. But his time as a top level club manager was over years ago.

How many years ago? He won the Europa League, League Cup and Community shield in his previous job. He won the Premier League and League Cup in the job before that.

[Brightside]

Great coach. I expect one of the Super Clubs to come in for him.

[Hibbyradge]

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This. He knows he would have got a binned come the end of the season so is jumping before being pushed, whilst also being seen to take the moral high ground.

Classic Mourinho.

He got sacked.

[jacomo]

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Poch did okay but won nothing. They had arguably one of the best teams in the league with Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen, Son, Alli and Kane. A more experienced manager like Mourinho would have won something with that squad imo.

I don’t think Mourinho got backed the way he probably would have liked, I very much doubt Bale was a signing he wanted. He asked for Skriniar and Dias, got given Joe Rodon from Swansea.

He replaced Pochettino who’s last 10 months saw him not win a league game away and taking only 25 points from his last 24 games, the Champions League was a distraction from the problems going on in which they inevitably failed to win in the end.

As I said earlier on here, Mourinho has got Spurs to their first domestic final in 6 years with arguably a weaker team than the one Pochettino had. I still very much rank Mourinho as a better manager than Pochettino, although I do like him and think he will do well in the game, which he should do at PSG if he can get them off 2nd place into 1st place and win the CL.

Jose had one job: qualify for the CL.

This is apparently imperative for Spurs because they need to pay off that space ship of a stadium.

This is the job Poch had too, and apart from his final season when he had a wobble he did very well.

You can dress it up all you like but Jose failed in his primary objective. To say he had a worse squad is nonsense.

[jgl07]

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Another rumour circulating is Klopp has said he'll step down if Liverpool join this league, nothing concrete just a rumour.

He was probabliy going anyway.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Jose had one job: qualify for the CL.

This is apparently imperative for Spurs because they need to pay off that space ship of a stadium.

This is the job Poch had too, and apart from his final season when he had a wobble he did very well.

You can dress it up all you like but Jose failed in his primary objective. To say he had a worse squad is nonsense.

He definitely had a worse squad. Defence isn't even close to the quality Poch had. Still missing Moussa Dembele and Alli hasnt kicked a ball in 2 years.

[ekhibee]

Spurs are probably wanting to join this league just so they can pay all the other 1st team players the same wage as they pay Gareth Bale.

[Scorrie]

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Spurs are probably wanting to join this league just so they can pay all the other 1st team players the same wage as they pay Gareth Bale.

Bale will be wanting a pay rise now!

[JohnMcM]

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How long before oneleagueback have someone asking the question of JM becoming tarts boss?

Took the words out of my mouth. Need to wait on a statement from Budge and Sevco first though about the unfairness of criticising the 12 teams who only want to make football better for everyone.

[Seveno]

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He's a socialist. Makes sense.

Also goes against everything that German football is about. This is why there is no German club joining the ESL.

[jacomo]

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He definitely had a worse squad. Defence isn't even close to the quality Poch had. Still missing Moussa Dembele and Alli hasnt kicked a ball in 2 years.

Sorry but that’s just not the case. And why hasn’t Alli played?

What you are looking at is one manager who can get the best out of his players, and another whose methods don’t work anymore.

[MWHIBBIES]

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Sorry but that’s just not the case. And why hasn’t Alli played?

What you are looking at is one manager who can get the best out of his players, and another whose methods don’t work anymore.

Eh, it definitely is the case. You seriously think Spurs have a defence as good as Walker, Vertoghen, Alderwiereld, Rose and Lloris in his prime? Thats a genuinely good defence Poch had. Put Moussa Dembele infront of that, who was an excellent player and a Dele Alli who was actually performing and you have a squad that is easily better. Alli has been rubbish for 2 years now, he was before Mourinho came in.

Ndombele is a good player but blows hot and cold, Lo Celso is always injured, Kane and Son are the only ones really doing the business, along with Hojberg who has been a good signing.

The back 4/5 is easily worse. Sanchez, Aurier, Davies etc just aren't as good as the players who were there before them. Vertonghen and Alderwiereld were brilliant together at their best.

[jacomo]

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Eh, it definitely is the case. You seriously think Spurs have a defence as good as Walker, Vertoghen, Alderwiereld, Rose and Lloris in his prime? Thats a genuinely good defence Poch had. Put Moussa Dembele infront of that, who was an excellent player and a Dele Alli who was actually performing and you have a squad that is easily better. Alli has been rubbish for 2 years now, he was before Mourinho came in.

Ndombele is a good player but blows hot and cold, Lo Celso is always injured, Kane and Son are the only ones really doing the business, along with Hojberg who has been a good signing.

The back 4/5 is easily worse. Sanchez, Aurier, Davies etc just aren't as good as the players who were there before them. Vertonghen and Alderwiereld were brilliant together at their best.

You keep mentioning Walker who left years ago and Danny Rose who dropped out of the team long before Poch left. You also keep mentioning the defence alone when I was talking about the overall squad, which is as strong (especially as Kane just keeps getting better as a player).

It’s this kind of tiresome arguing that’s the reason you have so many rows on here.

[hibbysam]

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You keep mentioning Walker who left years ago and Danny Rose who dropped out of the team long before Poch left. You also keep mentioning the defence alone when I was talking about the overall squad, which is as strong (especially as Kane just keeps getting better as a player).

It’s this kind of tiresome arguing that’s the reason you have so many rows on here.

One player can’t carry the team in that league though. Without a top class defence you’ll be nowhere near winning the premier league, and Spurs are absolutely miles away from having that.

[MWHIBBIES]

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You keep mentioning Walker who left years ago and Danny Rose who dropped out of the team long before Poch left. You also keep mentioning the defence alone when I was talking about the overall squad, which is as strong (especially as Kane just keeps getting better as a player).

It’s this kind of tiresome arguing that’s the reason you have so many rows on here.

Walker left in 2017 yeah, he was never replaced. So thats one downgrade. Probably okay because they had 2 top central defenders. Then they declined. Then Rose declined. So Poch went from a very good defence to a rubbish one, and that seen the end of him. And Mourinho.

Kane is excellent yes. So is Son. Alli was great under Poch for 2 years, totally missing now.

You seriously think Spurs 2016/17 squad that finished second with 86 points (that tally wins multiple titles in previous years) is worse than the current one? are you trolling?

Its not tiresome arguments. Objectively you are just wrong, don't blame me for that.

[Brightside]

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You keep mentioning Walker who left years ago and Danny Rose who dropped out of the team long before Poch left. You also keep mentioning the defence alone when I was talking about the overall squad, which is as strong (especially as Kane just keeps getting better as a player).

It’s this kind of tiresome arguing that’s the reason you have so many rows on here.

The Spurs squad isn’t as strong as it was when Poch was there. He got Kane is a season where he scored 40+ goals!! Too many injuries to key forwards under Jose. And as has been mentioned the defence replacement just hasn’t worked as he’s had to buy lesser players ( bar the lb who I think is class). Loris is nowhere near the level he was for Poch. Spurs invested less in their squad in 2020 than 9/10 other teams in the league. They are pretty much where they should be based on that.

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Poch did okay but won nothing. They had arguably one of the best teams in the league with Lloris, Walker, Vertonghen, Alderweireld, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen, Son, Alli and Kane. A more experienced manager like Mourinho would have won something with that squad imo.

I don’t think Mourinho got backed the way he probably would have liked, I very much doubt Bale was a signing he wanted. He asked for Skriniar and Dias, got given Joe Rodon from Swansea.

He replaced Pochettino who’s last 10 months saw him not win a league game away and taking only 25 points from his last 24 games, the Champions League was a distraction from the problems going on in which they inevitably failed to win in the end.

As I said earlier on here, Mourinho has got Spurs to their first domestic final in 6 years with arguably a weaker team than the one Pochettino had. I still very much rank Mourinho as a better manager than Pochettino, although I do like him and think he will do well in the game, which he should do at PSG if he can get them off 2nd place into 1st place and win the CL.

RE not getting backed - That's always Mourinho's excuse. It doesn't stand true. He would have joined Spurs knowing the budget. When have Spurs ever spent big on players? His early success was based on making good players into something more. Now it seems he wants a blank cheque to sign whoever and just blames the players for any issues.

What Jose achieved at Porto and Inter was unbelievable, no one will ever take that away from him but his record in last few years is poor (is that 3 sackings in a row?). He's not been able to sustain his early success and any chairman signing him now is doing it simply in the hope they get the Jose from 10 years ago, not the current version. There is a reason Pochettino is manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world with a CL semi final coming up and Jose won't even be in charge of his team for the League Cup final.

[Brightside]

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RE not getting backed - That's always Mourinho's excuse. It doesn't stand true. He would have joined Spurs knowing the budget. When have Spurs ever spent big on players? His early success was based on making good players into something more. Now it seems he wants a blank cheque to sign whoever and just blames the players for any issues.

What Jose achieved at Porto and Inter was unbelievable, no one will ever take that away from him but his record in last few years is poor (is that 3 sackings in a row?). He's not been able to sustain his early success and any chairman signing him now is doing it simply in the hope they get the Jose from 10 years ago, not the current version. There is a reason Pochettino is manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world with a CL semi final coming up and Jose won't even be in charge of his team for the League Cup final.

But Spurs didn’t spend the money other teams above them (and below them) did. That’s just a fact.

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RE not getting backed - That's always Mourinho's excuse. It doesn't stand true. He would have joined Spurs knowing the budget. When have Spurs ever spent big on players? His early success was based on making good players into something more. Now it seems he wants a blank cheque to sign whoever and just blames the players for any issues.

What Jose achieved at Porto and Inter was unbelievable, no one will ever take that away from him but his record in last few years is poor (is that 3 sackings in a row?). He's not been able to sustain his early success and any chairman signing him now is doing it simply in the hope they get the Jose from 10 years ago, not the current version. There is a reason Pochettino is manager of one of the biggest clubs in the world with a CL semi final coming up and Jose won't even be in charge of his team for the League Cup final.

Was Jose poor at Man Utd? Finished 2nd and won a domestic trophy and a Europa League. That's better than any manager Man Utd have had since Alex Ferguson left.

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But Spurs didn’t spend the money other teams above them (and below them) did. That’s just a fact.

But they never have. And I don't believe for a second he joined because Levy promised a huge budget. Just like at Hibs or any club he will have been told his budget and asked if he was happy. He will have seen Spurs next spend over the last few years. Why are we then suggesting it's down to money.

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Was Jose poor at Man Utd? Finished 2nd and won a domestic trophy and a Europa League. That's better than any manager Man Utd have had since Alex Ferguson left.

Well Ole might get 2 of those 3 this season and he's hardly a managerial heavyweight. And as always with Jose, he starts well and then completely loses it. He's been sacked 3 times in a row now and each time the fans have been delighted to see the back of him.

He used to motivate and bring players together to achieve things beyond their individual abilities.

Now he complains about budget and turns on his players at the first sign of criticism.

I'd love to see him again join a smaller team and see if he can get that magic back like he had at Porto. But I don't think any top club will touched him now.

[Since90+2]

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Well Ole might get 2 of those 3 this season and he's hardly a managerial heavyweight. And as always with Jose, he starts well and then completely loses it. He's been sacked 3 times in a row now and each time the fans have been delighted to see the back of him.

He used to motivate and bring players together to achieve things beyond their individual abilities.

Now he complains about budget and turns on his players at the first sign of criticism.

I'd love to see him again join a smaller team and see if he can get that magic back like he had at Porto. But I don't think any top club will touched him now.

Ole might but he hasn't yet.

Overall Jose done pretty well at Utd when you look at his record compared to every other manager that club has had in last 8 years. I don't think you can say he was poor there, not exactly outstanding granted but certainly not poor.

[Kato]

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I'd love to see him again join a smaller team and see if he can get that magic back like he had at Porto.

If fouling, diving, time wasting and percentage play is magic he had a huge wand at Porto.

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Interim head coach (Ryan Mason) is younger than me. Think I'm starting to realise I'm old now.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'm quite surprised spurs didn't at least wait until after the final against man city on sunday, he did get them there after all