I heard Liam McLeod on BBC commentary on Monday Night say our cup record is incredible in the last 20 years. I had a look and it reads as matches played:
Scottish Cup
Quarter Finals 13
Semi Finals 11
Finals 4
Wins 1
League Cup
Quarter Finals 14
Semi Finals 7
Finals 3
Wins 1
Pretty sobering as the number of Quarter Finals and Semi Finals are fairly racking up.
Are we not at a point where simply getting to Semi Finals is not enough? We have very rarely drawn the Old Firm in Semi's. Played Rangers in a League Cup Semi and Celtic twice in League Cup Semi's?
Our cup record in getting to the latter stages is very good in the last 20 years but surely getting to the point where we should be cashing in big time.
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Thread: Since 2000 - Cup Record
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08-04-2021 01:37 PM #1
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Since 2000 - Cup Record
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08-04-2021 01:44 PM #2
With the lottery that is Scottish football (including some “interesting” officiating performances) getting to a final requires a bit of (what’s that French word Henry uses?)
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08-04-2021 01:48 PM #3
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Aye. It's impressive.
But I'd say we've been Spawny Gets. Unfeasibly large ball-related luck in draws.
The 'Raer were the only League 2 club in the hat. Alloa were the best draw in the League Cup QF. We did the hat-trick last year: BSC Glesca, Caley & Gunts were all the lowest placed side we could've drawn.
I mind one year opening v. Irvine Meadow, then bottom of the league Montrose... then we got papped out by Ross Co.
We've had some other Spawny Get draws too: Bonnyrigg, Berwick. We seem to have got Ayr a couple of times in QFs of late.
We seem adept at Hun-dodging. We never seem to run into Sainties, 'Well, Killie, Livi or Caley when they've had good seasons.
I'll check some stats to amuse myself when I get bored of doing other stuff online or when I run out of blue pills.
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08-04-2021 01:50 PM #4
A club of our stature in Scotland should be reaching the Quarter Final’s at the bare minimum. 7 wins in 18 semi finals and 2 wins in 7 finals isn’t brilliant IMO but I will forgive that record for that day in 2016. Going forward we are putting ourselves into a fantastic position of being consistently the 3rd best team in Scotland so hopefully we can see another couple of trophies by the end of this decade.
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08-04-2021 02:10 PM #5
I can't think of many finals that 'got away' as it were.
2001, 2012 and 2013 were write offs. We really had no business even being in the final in the middle of those, were beaten before we stepped on the park in the latter and were up against a top Celtic team and our own form had tailed off badly in the former.
The other 2 losses are a bit harder to take although there is mitigation. The Livingston game was tough to take but they were a very good side at the time and a lot of the big names from our team that people quote now were raw and largely inexperienced at the time. We froze a bit on the day. It happens. The Ross County game was also tough to take but again they were a decent side, we were a lower league team at the time, we had a ridiculous schedule that season and fielded a patched up midfield and were missing our best defender.
A fair few of the semi final losses hurt more than the finals. The self implosion just before Dunfermilne, the 2 this season, Falkirk under Stubbs, Aberdeen in 2000, Ayr ****ing United and Dundee Utd under Mowbray.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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08-04-2021 03:13 PM #6
Our cup record of excellent in terms of ties won and reaching the latter stages, certainly a lot better than the Hibs sides I grew up with.
I had only been to Hampden a couple of times until not that long ago, when we started playing there with a good degree of regularity.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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08-04-2021 03:24 PM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote"We know the people who have invested so far are simple fans." Vladimir Romanov - Scotsman 10th December 2012
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08-04-2021 03:32 PM #8
^^The same probably applies to the club as whole.
I know the players change, but if the club are used to going there and have a routine it’s got to help relax everyone involved.
They’re like home games for Rangers and Celtic. Would be good if can keep getting there and say the same.
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08-04-2021 03:35 PM #9
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08-04-2021 03:36 PM #10
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Comparison with St Johnstone who have won the same Cups since 2000, shown in brackets ....
Scottish Cup
Quarter Finals 13 65% (5) 25%
Semi Finals 11. 85% (4) 80%
Finals 4 36%. (1) 25%
Wins 1 25%. (1) 100%
League Cup
Quarter Finals 14 70% (10) 50%
Semi Finals 7 50%. (5) 50%
Finals 3 43%. (1) 20%
Wins 1 33%. (1). 100%
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08-04-2021 07:02 PM #11
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The Dunfy and Dundee Utd ones were frustrating, and more so when I watched the finals as Celtic didn't play well in either and I felt they were there for the taking. Add the Hearts one to that as Celtic were guff and I think we would have won (although I did a food shop instead of watching it because I thought Hearts might actually win it).
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In my years watching Hibs we got to 2 finals in the 90s, 3 in the 00s and 4 in the 10s. Winning one in each decade. The number of semi finals we reach has increased incrementally in each of those decades though and we are definitely more familiar with the latter stages of Cup competitions these days.
I think the 2000 semi final v Aberdeen was the 1st time I really remember being at Hampden with Hibs. I was young in 91 though and the next final was at Celtic Park along with a couple of semis at Tynecastle and Ibrox so that maybe skews my memory a bit. I'm certainly far more familiar with the ground now.
The next step for us is arguably converting more of the semi finals into finals and then those into wins. That latter is easier said than done though. Since 2000/01 there have been 20 Scottish Cup finals. Celtic and Rangers have won 14 of those, we won one of the other 6. The League Cup has been largely similar. Since 00/01 there have been 21 finals. Celtic and Rangers have won 14 of them. We have won one of the other 7.
As I said above the biggest frustration for me has been the missed opportunities in semi finals when we have had favourable draws. I can take losing to Celtic, Rangers and strong Aberdeen and Hearts sides. The others are the ones that frustrate me.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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09-04-2021 12:38 AM #15
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Cup records of all clubs to have made a QF since 1999/2000:
Sellik 19 wins, 4 runners-up, 7 beaten SF, 8 beaten QF.
Huns 11 wins, 3 runners-up 9 beaten SF, 10 beaten QF.
Hibs 2 wins, 5 runners-up, 11 beaten SF, 9 beaten QF.
Gunts 2 wins, 3 runners-up, 8 beaten SF, 8 beaten QF.
Sainties 2 wins, 7 beaten SF, 7 beaten QF.
Sheep 1 win, 5 runners-up, 10 beaten SF, 10 beaten QF.
Arabs 1 win, 4 runners-up, 7 beaten SF, 15 beaten QF.
Killie 1 win, 2 runners-up, 1 beaten SF, 7 beaten QF.
Caley 1 win, 1 runners-up, 4 beaten SF, 12 beaten QF.
Livi 1 win, 1 runners-up, 3 beaten SF, 6 beaten QF.
St.Mirren 1 win, 1 runners-up, 3 beaten SF, 9 beaten QF.
Ross Co 1 win, 1 runners-up, 3 beaten QF.
'Well 4 runners-up, 3 beaten SF, 9 beaten QF.
Pars 3 runners-up, 1 beaten SF, 6 beaten QF.
Falkirk 2 runners-up, 4 beaten SF, 5 beaten QF.
Ayr 1 runners-up, 3 beaten SF, 3 beaten QF.
Dundee 1 runners-up, 2 beaten SF, 7 beaten QF.
Q.o.S. 1 runners-up, 3 beaten QF.
Gretna 1 runners-up.
Partick 1 beaten SF, 11 beaten QF.
Morton 1 beaten SF, 4 beaten QF.
Raith 1 beaten SF, 2 beaten QF.
Accies 7 beaten QF.
Alloa 2 beaten QF.
Berwick, Albion, Dumbarton, E.Fife, Brechin, Clyde, Stranraer, Forfar & Peterhead have each lost 1 QF.
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09-04-2021 09:34 AM #16
Getting to the quarter finals is generally a stroll unless we are unlucky with the draw.
This season is fairly typical with only 2 SC ties in the last 16 matching up top league teams with only Inverness looking like they could overcome their top league opponents.
Next week we will be in the QF of the SC without breaking sweat.
At that point the competition begins with the likelihood that all the teams left will be from the top league. Win 3 games in a row and you have won the competition.Last edited by CMurdoch; 09-04-2021 at 09:53 AM.
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09-04-2021 11:33 AM #17
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I've checked how jammy we've been in draws. Only gone back 10 seasons as it's hard work. The Wiki results page has a "report" icon by all the games. Sometimes this will take you to a BBC report with a table, even for some 1990s matches, but there are a lot from recent seasons that just come up as dead links or link to a Sky report with no table. So I've had to dig out programmes.
In 10 SF draws we've pulled the lowest placed team 5 times, the middle team 3 times and Celtic twice.
In draws before SFs we've got the "easiest" opponent according to the tables 11 times and the "hardest" 5 times.
That includes 15 QF draws. In those we've got the lowest placed of 7 possible opponents 5 times and the highest 3 times.
Breakdown round by round.
Last 32 of SC the ranking of our opponents out of 31 at the time of the draw has gone:
22 - 8 - 8 - 19 - 16 - 31 - 7 - 28 - 12 - 17.
Last 16 of the SC, obviously out of 15, it's been:
7 - 3 - 9 - 13 - 2 - 4 - 13 - 15 - 15.
SC QFs, out of 7:
7 - 3 - 7 - 4 - 6 - 1 - 7.
SC SFs, out of 3:
3 - 3 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 3.
That's a fairly spawny sequence of draws.
League Cup hasn't been quite so jammy. The early draws have always been seeded in the 10 seasons I've looked at, so the number of potential opponents is halved.
We came in at round one only once. We were seeded, obviously. Of the 15 possible opponents we drew the 15th - Montrose, who'd just survived their relegation playoff v. Brora.
Seeded in all round 2 appearances, so diddy teams guaranteed. 11 possible opponents. We went 10 - 6 - 1 - 5. The #1 was Dumbarton.
Last 16 was always seeded. Sometimes we were seeded, sometimes not. Either way there were only 8 possible balls. We've gone:
3 - 8 - 7 - 1 - 5 - 8 - 6 - 5 - 4.
The #1 was the Sheep, who opened with 8 straight wins that season.
LC QFs is a straight draw, 7 possible opponents:
1 - 6 - 1 - 6 - 7 - 3 - 4 - 7.
One of the #1s was the Arabs, who started with 6 wins, a draw & a 6-1 tanking by Celtic to top the league after 8 games. The other #1 was Celtic.
LC SFs. The only round we've not had much luck:
2 - 1 - 1 - 3.
Overall, we've been unusually lucky.
*Edit: Note - Opponents' positions given are at the time of the draw, not the time of the tie.Last edited by Perfectly Loud; 09-04-2021 at 11:40 AM.
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I don’t think we’ve been any luckier or unluckier than any other club over the course. You’d have to also consider our position when we went into the games as well etc.Follow the Hibs podcast, Longbangers, on Twitter (@longbangers)
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09-04-2021 11:52 AM #19
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We shouldn't be happy with just getting to Semi's given how many we've been in now in last 20 years.
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2 trophies from 18 Semi Finals.
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09-04-2021 12:22 PM #23
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I know a guy had a PDC darts tour card for a couple of years. 128 players in standard tour events in that. Seeded draw, so he'd more of a chance of playing a top opponent than a fellow new qualifier. He'd a spell of about 8 events where he drew Thornton and Hamilton to start, then went something like Wade, Chisnall, Webster, Lewis, White over the next few draws.
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09-04-2021 12:47 PM #25
Still annoyed at the fact we didn’t beat Dunfermline over 180 minutes in 2007.
Against a poor Celtic team the hibs squad spitting their dummy cost us a realistic chance for a double.
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