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    I hate just because it's Hibs the price is set by the media plebs at £1.5m....yet if he were wearing blue or Hoops it'd be way, way more than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EI255 View Post
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    I hate just because it's Hibs the price is set by the media plebs at £1.5m....yet if he were wearing blue or Hoops it'd be way, way more than that.

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    Thatís just the nature of the food chain though.

    If he was playing for Hamilton his value would be a lot less than it is with us.

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    Watching the AGM today, I doubt there will be too many pulling a fast one on the board.

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    Selling players to the English Premiership for good fees and making sure there are healthy sell on benefits could be the best and quickest way to grow. Porteous, Nisbet and Doig are all very marketable and could all create large sell ons if they develop. I think they should all stay another year but if money is reinvested and done with a view to buy the best young players we can to develop then that is a very workable model. SJM being sold may give us enough cash to replace anyone that leaves and pick up a few gems for the future too.

    I think that was what LD wanted to build and it was looking possible under Stubbs but imploded a bit with Lennon. Jack Ross seems to be in a similar vein as Stubbs bringing in young players who are ambitious and ready to make the next step. Giving them lots of game time but also protecting them when needed.

    The succession planning needs to be good and recruitment has to be accurate but I think if done correctly it could make us thrive and be the third force which is what RG is wanting. I think we could get a name as a stepping stone club which could also mean players want to come to us and we could get some good loans too.

    Selling young players, if done correctly, can be a very progressive move for all concerned.

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    Selling players to the English Premiership for good fees and making sure there are healthy sell on benefits could be the best and quickest way to grow. Porteous, Nisbet and Doig are all very marketable and could all create large sell ons if they develop. I think they should all stay another year but if money is reinvested and done with a view to buy the best young players we can to develop then that is a very workable model. SJM being sold may give us enough cash to replace anyone that leaves and pick up a few gems for the future too.

    I think that was what LD wanted to build and it was looking possible under Stubbs but imploded a bit with Lennon. Jack Ross seems to be in a similar vein as Stubbs bringing in young players who are ambitious and ready to make the next step. Giving them lots of game time but also protecting them when needed.

    The succession planning needs to be good and recruitment has to be accurate but I think if done correctly it could make us thrive and be the third force which is what RG is wanting. I think we could get a name as a stepping stone club which could also mean players want to come to us and we could get some good loans too.

    Selling young players, if done correctly, can be a very progressive move for all concerned.
    I think this sounds fine in theory but not sure it works in practice. I'm pretty sure this is what Rod Petrie tried to achieve when the golden generation came through. Talent is really unpredictable though and changing swathes of players on a regular basis is not a good idea. There's always a huge element of risk.

    By setting yourself up as a "stepping stone" you're also not getting the players to invest themselves in the club.The buy low sell high model also views players as commodities which again isn't conducive to building a great team or team spirit. With the Stubbs and Lennon years you got the impression that the core of the squad loved being at the club and were in things for the long haul. I am pretty sure that until his last year John McGinn wasn't eyeing a move and was very happy at Hibs.

    We're clearly on a good financial footing despite the difficulties of the last two seasons so we don't need large transfer fees. Let's concentrate on building a club where players want to be and would be very reluctant to leave no matter what the offer.


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    Rodgers must only think £1.5m is what all our players are worth. you'd have thought he'd learnt his lesson missing out on SJM!
    After John went to Villa there was talk that Rodgers was furious Celtic had messed about and allowed another club to entice him away

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    Josh wonít be moving in the next transfer window, he is happy at the club and wants to play as much football as possible. Signed the new contract offered, has his head screwed on, will move in a year or 2. If anyone leaves it will probably be Nisbet, at 24 heís at a good age to make the move and already had his head turned.

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    Josh wonít be moving in the next transfer window, he is happy at the club and wants to play as much football as possible. Signed the new contract offered, has his head screwed on, will move in a year or 2. If anyone leaves it will probably be Nisbet, at 24 heís at a good age to make the move and already had his head turned.
    Spot on, last thing Josh needs is warming the bench at a club, or playing reserve/under 21 football somewhere. Heís still growing/learning the game, best place for that is Hibs for at least another season, if not 2, heíll get his move eventually and heíll be better prepared for it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EI255 View Post
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    Why do our players always seem to have a value of around £1-£1.5m, according to red top journalists?

    Doig is not worth that. He is worth a lot more. Find some of their valuation "theories" staggering at times.

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    It's pathetic. Down south transfer values have gone up tenfold the last decade, but in Scotland it's been £1.5m for about fifteen years.

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    I think this sounds fine in theory but not sure it works in practice. I'm pretty sure this is what Rod Petrie tried to achieve when the golden generation came through. Talent is really unpredictable though and changing swathes of players on a regular basis is not a good idea. There's always a huge element of risk.

    By setting yourself up as a "stepping stone" you're also not getting the players to invest themselves in the club.The buy low sell high model also views players as commodities which again isn't conducive to building a great team or team spirit. With the Stubbs and Lennon years you got the impression that the core of the squad loved being at the club and were in things for the long haul. I am pretty sure that until his last year John McGinn wasn't eyeing a move and was very happy at Hibs.

    We're clearly on a good financial footing despite the difficulties of the last two seasons so we don't need large transfer fees. Let's concentrate on building a club where players want to be and would be very reluctant to leave no matter what the offer.


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    Spot on in my opinion. The idea of being a revolving door is not one that is going to attract season ticket holders. Weíve suffered enough with good players leaving never mind doing it when itís not necessary.Where is this never ending stream of young Scottish football talent coming from.I donít see much proof of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithMike View Post
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    I think this sounds fine in theory but not sure it works in practice. I'm pretty sure this is what Rod Petrie tried to achieve when the golden generation came through. Talent is really unpredictable though and changing swathes of players on a regular basis is not a good idea. There's always a huge element of risk.

    By setting yourself up as a "stepping stone" you're also not getting the players to invest themselves in the club.The buy low sell high model also views players as commodities which again isn't conducive to building a great team or team spirit. With the Stubbs and Lennon years you got the impression that the core of the squad loved being at the club and were in things for the long haul. I am pretty sure that until his last year John McGinn wasn't eyeing a move and was very happy at Hibs.

    We're clearly on a good financial footing despite the difficulties of the last two seasons so we don't need large transfer fees. Let's concentrate on building a club where players want to be and would be very reluctant to leave no matter what the offer.


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    Agree with of this.

    Build a club that fosters team spirit, provides a platform for the ambitious and also satisfies the fans.

    Hibs have shown they mean business already, resisting the offers for players in January, with an eye on the bigger prize. It may well be that we see a departure or two in the summer, but Iím sure we will have used the time to identify suitable targets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeithMike View Post
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    I think this sounds fine in theory but not sure it works in practice. I'm pretty sure this is what Rod Petrie tried to achieve when the golden generation came through. Talent is really unpredictable though and changing swathes of players on a regular basis is not a good idea. There's always a huge element of risk.

    By setting yourself up as a "stepping stone" you're also not getting the players to invest themselves in the club.The buy low sell high model also views players as commodities which again isn't conducive to building a great team or team spirit. With the Stubbs and Lennon years you got the impression that the core of the squad loved being at the club and were in things for the long haul. I am pretty sure that until his last year John McGinn wasn't eyeing a move and was very happy at Hibs.

    We're clearly on a good financial footing despite the difficulties of the last two seasons so we don't need large transfer fees. Let's concentrate on building a club where players want to be and would be very reluctant to leave no matter what the offer.


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    What I am talking about is strategic. You would sell on players but have others identified too. It isn't about selling a player the second a decent offer comes in and I am advocating that Hibs would retain an interest in the player via a percentage of future transfers. Take SJM for example. If we get 5 Million when he is sold on that is roughly equivalent of a full years worth of ST income. There won't be many SJMs but there is a margin for error because of the money involved down south.

    I totally agree about the vibe the club and squad had under Stubbs and for a chunk of Lennon's tenure. You can get that type of vibe when players can see themselves developing and a brighter future. Again I am not saying sell every decent player I am saying have a policy of buying quality young players and a plan to develop them. Supplement that with some experience and you have a chance of success on the park and the opportunity to build on that when the gems move on. They will move on regardless so I am saying have a plan for that and a model which means we maximise the chances of more SJM types.

    I do agree though that it isn't easy and can be risky and I don't want us to be seen as a club who treats players as money makers. I want to see us as a club where players can enjoy the present but work towards the future. I don't want to see many journeyman type players, I want hungry young players on there way up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wookie70 View Post
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    What I am talking about is strategic. You would sell on players but have others identified too. It isn't about selling a player the second a decent offer comes in and I am advocating that Hibs would retain an interest in the player via a percentage of future transfers. Take SJM for example. If we get 5 Million when he is sold on that is roughly equivalent of a full years worth of ST income. There won't be many SJMs but there is a margin for error because of the money involved down south.

    I totally agree about the vibe the club and squad had under Stubbs and for a chunk of Lennon's tenure. You can get that type of vibe when players can see themselves developing and a brighter future. Again I am not saying sell every decent player I am saying have a policy of buying quality young players and a plan to develop them. Supplement that with some experience and you have a chance of success on the park and the opportunity to build on that when the gems move on. They will move on regardless so I am saying have a plan for that and a model which means we maximise the chances of more SJM types.

    I do agree though that it isn't easy and can be risky and I don't want us to be seen as a club who treats players as money makers. I want to see us as a club where players can enjoy the present but work towards the future. I don't want to see many journeyman type players, I want hungry young players on there way up.
    Youíre 100% correct. Our policy of buying hungry young players is the best chance at achieving success for a club of our size and itís pretty much the only way we will be able to move on to the next level. Itís not a revolving door as weíll get 2 or 3 years out of these players before they move on. Any player we sign that does well will move on in that time frame no matter what our policy is as we canít pay the wages that these players demand. The only way for us to pay more wages is to generate more money through selling. The more money we bring in, the more money we can pay for better players, the more we can pay players, meaning it takes bigger offers from better clubs to sign our players and the whole cycle begins again with us moving up the price and quality range.

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    I am more hopeful off Hibs making more than a couple of million from Doig/Nisbet, now that teams like Birningham,Leeds and Leicester are noted to be interested, just the fact leicesteer are interested should push up the asking price, when SJM went to Villa, the reason we sold him for so little was the fact nobody else was interested, now we have a few clubs interested in our players, which is only a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil MaGlass View Post
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    I am more hopeful off Hibs making more than a couple of million from Doig/Nisbet, now that teams like Birningham,Leeds and Leicester are noted to be interested, just the fact leicesteer are interested should push up the asking price, when SJM went to Villa, the reason we sold him for so little was the fact nobody else was interested, now we have a few clubs interested in our players, which is only a good thing.
    And the length of SJMís contract left with us resulted in the relatively small transfer fee received

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    Quote Originally Posted by LancsHibs View Post
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    And the length of SJMís contract left with us resulted in the relatively small transfer fee received
    Did we not get 2.8 million for SJM plus a decent sell on fee and add ons? I think that's pretty decent considering he only had a year left on his deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since90+2 View Post
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    Did we not get 2.8 million for SJM plus a decent sell on fee and add ons? I think that's pretty decent considering he only had a year left on his deal.
    2.8 in total, the initial was nearer 1.5 with add ons for promotion etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J-C View Post
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    2.8 in total, the initial was nearer 1.5 with add ons for promotion etc.
    Ah ok thought it was 2.8 initially.

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    Ah ok thought it was 2.8 initially.
    It was. JC is incorrect.

    Its nearer 4 million now with a sell on % still in place.

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    It was. JC is incorrect.

    Its nearer 4 million now with a sell on % still in place.
    Yip was well over 2m when looking at the figures shown at the agm

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    There was some chat on the radio about Hibs doing a deal whereby they sell Doig but loan him back for next season to allow him to keep developing with game time.

    They werenít linking him to any club specifically, just saying itís the type of deal that could suit all parties.

    Iíd be happy with that if RG felt we were getting a fair price.

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    There was some chat on the radio about Hibs doing a deal whereby they sell Doig but loan him back for next season to allow him to keep developing with game time.

    They werenít linking him to any club specifically, just saying itís the type of deal that could suit all parties.

    Iíd be happy with that if RG felt we were getting a fair price.
    This kind of deal is always mentioned with young players but I'm struggling to remember a time I've actually seen it happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhileTheChief.. View Post
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    There was some chat on the radio about Hibs doing a deal whereby they sell Doig but loan him back for next season to allow him to keep developing with game time.

    They werenít linking him to any club specifically, just saying itís the type of deal that could suit all parties.

    Iíd be happy with that if RG felt we were getting a fair price.
    It seems a sensible deal for the buying club. They get the player nice and early and therefore cheaper, they get to leave him to develop at a club heís settled at and then they get to review the situation again in a years time.

    For us, Iím not sure itís a great deal unless weíre strapped for cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Since452 View Post
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    This kind of deal is always mentioned with young players but I'm struggling to remember a time I've actually seen it happen
    It's fantasy stuff really. Realistically if a club like Leicester were to sign him they'll loan him out to a decent championship team I'd imagine. They'll rate that level of football far higher and it'll be easier for their coaches/loan manager to keep an eye on his development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    It seems a sensible deal for the buying club. They get the player nice and early and therefore cheaper, they get to leave him to develop at a club heís settled at and then they get to review the situation again in a years time.

    For us, Iím not sure itís a great deal unless weíre strapped for cash.
    For us it would be an unbelievable deal. Say we get 2m for a youngster still making his way in the game and on top of that we get to keep him for another year? Can't see it happening though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calumhibee1 View Post
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    It seems a sensible deal for the buying club. They get the player nice and early and therefore cheaper, they get to leave him to develop at a club heís settled at and then they get to review the situation again in a years time.

    For us, Iím not sure itís a great deal unless weíre strapped for cash.
    Money in the bank and we get to enjoy him for another year. Sounds good to me.

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    There was some chat on the radio about Hibs doing a deal whereby they sell Doig but loan him back for next season to allow him to keep developing with game time.

    They werenít linking him to any club specifically, just saying itís the type of deal that could suit all parties.

    Iíd be happy with that if RG felt we were getting a fair price.
    That doesn't suit all parties. If he goes for x price now, then improves exponentially next season with us on loan and we could've got much more.

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    That doesn't suit all parties. If he goes for x price now, then improves exponentially next season with us on loan and we could've got much more.
    If you have a sell on agreed that sorts that out

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    Quote Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES View Post
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    That doesn't suit all parties. If he goes for x price now, then improves exponentially next season with us on loan and we could've got much more.
    Or he might break his leg in August and never kick a ball again but weíve got the cash.

    Weíre about to start talking about futures and options here. Iím away to watch Bloomberg for a bit.

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