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    No fans at grounds affecting home form.

    Interesting piece of analysis by Pat Nevin on the BBC website


    Why empty grounds have destroyed home advantage
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/56597524


    Could explain our poor home results and excellent away form


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfiembra View Post
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    Interesting piece of analysis by Pat Nevin on the BBC website


    Why empty grounds have destroyed home advantage
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/56597524


    Could explain our poor home results and excellent away form

    Surely with no crowds it does not matter where you play apart from the artificial surfaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsnoteasy View Post
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    Surely with no crowds it does not matter where you play apart from the artificial surfaces.

    Watch the video. Pat makes a good case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsnoteasy View Post
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    Surely with no crowds it does not matter where you play apart from the artificial surfaces.
    I'm not sure how much other things actually affect performance, but if we're assuming opposition fans outnumbering your own fans is a factor in form then away teams still have to contend with a few other things worth considering: travel to the opponents, less comfortable changing rooms, unfamiliar pitch dimensions.

    Travel is probably the big one there. I assume it's all done on the day without hotels being open (probably prohibitively costly for our league regardless) so sitting on a bus for an hour or 2 before a game won't be the best preparation. How that fits in with nutrition might also be a factor - again not sure on current restrictions although believe Livingston were criticised for using an empty tony macaroni in Aberdeen.
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    I've looked at the Scottish Premiership so far;

    Rangers - average 3 points per game at home and 2.4 points per game away.

    Celtic - average 2.2 points per game at home and 2 points per game away.

    Hibs - average 1.4 points per game at home and 1.9 points per game away.

    Aberdeen - average 1.8 points per game at home and 1.1 points per game away.

    Livingston - average 1.3 points per game at home and 1.4 points per game away.

    St Johnstone - average 1.2 points per game at home and 1.2 points per game away.

    St Mirren - average 1.1 points per game at home and 1.3 points per game away.

    Dundee Utd - average 1.4 points per game at home and 1 point per game away.

    Motherwell - average 0.9 points per game at home and 1.2 points per game away.

    Ross County - average 0.9 points per game at home and 0.8 points per game away.

    Kilmarnock - average 1.1 points per game at home and average 0.6 points per game away.

    Hamilton - average 0.8 points per game at home and 0.9 points per game away.

    We are the team in the league with the biggest difference in favour of away points over home points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfiembra View Post
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    Interesting piece of analysis by Pat Nevin on the BBC website


    Why empty grounds have destroyed home advantage
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/56597524


    Could explain our poor home results and excellent away form
    That really is interesting.

    I wonder what that says about our league campaign next season, assuming that the fans are back in the grounds.

    Presumably, our home form will pick up, but will our way results suffer? If not, we could be looking at a very good season.
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    Not much difference in our home form this year averaging 1.44 points per game compared to 1.47 last year. We are of course a better team. We hit 1.95 under Lennon finishing 4th and 1.42 under Lennon/Heck.

    Perhaps we just had some good home form under Lennon when we had a really good season and the others are around Par for us.

    Saying that 1.45 points is equivalent to win five, draw one and lose five playing each team in the league. Given there will is usually 7 teams with smaller budgets and this season there are 8 it is a very poor effort imo. I'd expect to get nearer 2.0 most seasons at home and when the fans are back home form is much more important than away form in terms of ST and walk up sales.

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    Surprised Livingston have more points away from home.

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    Surprised Livingston have more points away from home.
    They have actually picked up the same number of points (22) both home and away.

    Their away PPG is just better because they have played one less game than at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    They have actually picked up the same number of points (22) both home and away.

    Their away PPG is just better because they have played one less game than at home.
    Surely one more game

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    Surely one more game
    No, one less.

    22 points from 16 away games is better than 22 points from 17 home games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir David Gray View Post
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    I've looked at the Scottish Premiership so far;

    Rangers - average 3 points per game at home and 2.4 points per game away.

    Celtic - average 2.2 points per game at home and 2 points per game away.

    Hibs - average 1.4 points per game at home and 1.9 points per game away.

    Aberdeen - average 1.8 points per game at home and 1.1 points per game away.

    Livingston - average 1.3 points per game at home and 1.4 points per game away.

    St Johnstone - average 1.2 points per game at home and 1.2 points per game away.

    St Mirren - average 1.1 points per game at home and 1.3 points per game away.

    Dundee Utd - average 1.4 points per game at home and 1 point per game away.

    Motherwell - average 0.9 points per game at home and 1.2 points per game away.

    Ross County - average 0.9 points per game at home and 0.8 points per game away.

    Kilmarnock - average 1.1 points per game at home and average 0.6 points per game away.

    Hamilton - average 0.8 points per game at home and 0.9 points per game away.

    We are the team in the league with the biggest difference in favour of away points over home points.
    so we’re very nearly as good away from home as Celtic. Imagine that

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    And even still Brora beat Hearts at home!


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    Old news this, it was reported when German football kicked off, Engerland reported much the same thing!
    Cheap news, just take an old story and put another country's name to it????

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    Interesting one. It's probably worked both ways for the coaching staff and players as there probably would have been times when the fans would have really got on their backs and times when they had to find that extra push without the fans and relied on the dug out.
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    Not much difference in our home form this year averaging 1.44 points per game compared to 1.47 last year. We are of course a better team. We hit 1.95 under Lennon finishing 4th and 1.42 under Lennon/Heck.

    Perhaps we just had some good home form under Lennon when we had a really good season and the others are around Par for us.

    Saying that 1.45 points is equivalent to win five, draw one and lose five playing each team in the league. Given there will is usually 7 teams with smaller budgets and this season there are 8 it is a very poor effort imo. I'd expect to get nearer 2.0 most seasons at home and when the fans are back home form is much more important than away form in terms of ST and walk up sales.
    Over 19 games, 2 points per game would be 38 points.
    11 wins, 5 draws, 3 defeats or 12 wins, 2 draws and 5 defeats.

    Considering 4 of those would be Rangers and Celtic that would be a huge effort and would go down as a very good home season.

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